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To: Idabilly

“Lincoln didn’t like or care about Blacks”

More nonsense!

Actually what Lincoln said in the famous 1858 debate was:

“I agree with Judge Douglas he(the negro) is not my equal in many respects-certainly not in color, perhaps not in moral or intellectual endowment. But in the right to eat the bread, without the leave of anybody else, which his own hand earns, he is my equal and the equal of Judge Douglas, and the equal of every living man.”

And Lincoln also said,

“This declared indifference, but, as I must think, covert real zeal for the spread of slavery, I cannot but hate. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world-enables the enemies of free institutions, with plausibility, to taunt us as hypocrites-causes the real friends of freedom to doubt our sincerity, and especially because it forces so many really good men amongst ourselves into an open war with the very fundamental principles of civil liberty-criticizing the Declaration of Independence, and insisting that there is no right principle of action but self-interest.”

Is that clear enough for you?


86 posted on 05/06/2009 1:32:49 PM PDT by devere
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To: devere
“Is that clear enough for you?”

I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the White and Black races—that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with White people, and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the White and Black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the White race.

. . . I give. . . the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last, stand by the law of the State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes.

From his fourth debate with Stephen Douglas at Charleston, Illinois on September 18, 1858

“Negro equality, Fudge!! How long in the Government of a God great enough to
make and maintain this Universe, shall there continue to be knaves to vend and
fools to gulp, so low a piece of demagoguism as this?”

From “An American Iliad: The Story of the Civil War,” Second Edition, by Charles P. Roland (Chapter 1, page 9): “Many antislavery advocates opposed the institution not out of principle or compassion for the slaves, but out of concern over its perceived ill effects on the white population. Congressman David Wilmot of Pennsylvania, a leading advocate of halting the spread of slavery, explained that he felt “no squeamishness upon the subject of slavery, no morbid sympathy for the slave.” “I plead the cause of free white men,” he said. “I would preserve to white labor a fair country, a rich inheritance, where the sons of toil, of my own race and my own color can live without the disgrace which association with Negro slavery brings upon free labor.”

“Finally and paradoxically, a racial factor contributed to the northern attitude. Antipathy against slavery often went hand in hand with a racism that was similar in essence, if not in pervasiveness or intensity, to the southern racial feeling. Many northerners objected to the presence of slavery in their midst, in part, because they objected to the presence of blacks there.”

Is that clear enough for you?

94 posted on 05/06/2009 2:38:43 PM PDT by Idabilly
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To: devere
Lincoln was a 1860's version of Hitler

Alton, Ill., in 1858, “in favor of our new territories being in such a condition that white men may find a home ... as an outlet for free white people everywhere, the world over.”

“But for your race among us there could not be a war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or another.

Lincoln claimed that “the people of Mexico are most decidedly a race of mongrels. I understand that there is not more than one person there out of eight who is pure white.”

” In 1860, Lincoln called for the “emancipation and deportation” of slaves.

Mr. Bennett adds.
“People in the North don't know how deeply involved the North was in slavery,” he says, adding that Illinois “had one of the worst black codes in America. People don't know that. . . . Black people were hunted like beasts of the field on the streets of Chicago, with Lincoln's support.”

96 posted on 05/06/2009 2:48:13 PM PDT by Idabilly
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