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To: Idabilly

“Lincoln was going to fight regardless if roses got sent”

Have you ever read Lincoln’s First Inaugural Address?

It is posted in full on this thread.

What you assert is contrary to what he said, in very plain and eloquent English.

Do you claim a supernatural power to have read Lincoln’s mind, and somehow know he didn’t mean what he said?

Southern paranoia led to first to seccession and then to a bloody civil war, recklessly started by the South. It seems that 160 years later that little has changed for some.

In my opinion the bloody war would have been averted, if the South had been led by a statesman of the caliber of Lincoln.


130 posted on 05/06/2009 8:01:19 PM PDT by devere
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To: devere
Southern paranoia led to first to seccession and then to a bloody civil war...

I'd make a slight correction there. The Slave Power propaganda drove a slender majority of the Southern people into secession that could only benefit the slave power.

Lincoln was a smart man, but when he believed that the majority of the southern people would not support secession, he completely underestimated the power of a concerted propaganda campaign.

That is a lesson we should understand today when we see the radical left controlling the levers of government, media and education. We should not be complacent and trust the good sense of our fellow citizens. History shows they can be memorized, even to the point of their own destruction.

131 posted on 05/06/2009 9:17:38 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: devere

“In my opinion the bloody war would have been averted, if the South had been led by a statesman of the caliber of Lincoln.”

Of course there was one such man, but the South scorned him, because he favored remaining in the Union:

“A nation divided against itself cannot stand.”
Sam Houston 1850

“what fields of blood, what scenes of horror, what mighty cities in smoke and ruins – it is brother murdering brother ... I see my beloved South go down in the unequal contest, in a sea of blood and smoking ruin.”
Sam Houston on the passage of the Kansas Nebraska act in 1854

“Some of you laugh to scorn the idea of bloodshed as the result of secession, but let me tell you what is coming....Your fathers and husbands, your sons and brothers, will be herded at the point of the bayonet....You may after the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, as a bare possibility, win Southern independence...but I doubt it. I tell you that, while I believe with you in the doctrine of state rights, the North is determined to preserve this Union. They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction...they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche; and what I fear is, they will overwhelm the South.”
Sam Houston, 1861.


133 posted on 05/06/2009 11:10:13 PM PDT by devere
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To: devere
**Have you ever read Lincoln’s First Inaugural Address?**

Why make a habit of watching or reading liberal gibberish?

**Do you claim a supernatural power to have read Lincoln’s mind, and somehow know he didn’t mean what he said?**

King Lincoln was just a Big Government lib.....Just like Zero! He destroyed the Republic and replaced it with an Empire..
Mr. Chairman, on the third position of...the constitutional question, I have not much to say...It is not to be denied that many great and good men [including Thomas Jefferson] have been against the power [of the federal government to undertake internal improvements not specifically authorized by the Constitution]; but it is insisted that quite as many, as great and as good, have been for it; and it is shown that, on a full survey of the whole, Chancellor Kent was of the opinion that the arguments of the latter were vastly superior...He was one of the ablest and most learned lawyers of his age, or of any age...Can the party opinion of a party president [Thomas Jefferson or James Madison], on a law question, as this purely is, be at all compared, or set in opposition to that of such a man, in such an attitude, as Chancellor Kent?”
Abraham Lincoln, June 20, 1848

***recklessly started by the South.***

Really? Your Hero wouldn’t talk to piece commissioners sent BEFORE Sumter

***South had been led by a statesman of the caliber of***
Lincoln

King Lincoln was for every thing the Founders wrote against!Statesman? More like Butcher

149 posted on 05/07/2009 5:41:21 AM PDT by Rustabout (Like patriots of old we'll fight, our heritage to save:For Southern rights, hurrah!)
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To: devere
What you assert is contrary to what he said, in very plain and eloquent English.

Like Rush says about liberals, 'don't listen to their words, watch what they do.'

153 posted on 05/07/2009 5:54:08 AM PDT by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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