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I see you managed to write a whole lot without bothering to discuss whether you'd like living in an America dominated politically by Northeast Yankeedom (leftist) and the West Coast (leftist). We know that's what America would look like if the South was no longer a part of the USA, just by looking at the way the states currently vote.

We have your predicitions of what it would be like. Would you enjoy living in my scenario any more than I would enjoy living in your's?

But, no, instead of discussing that, you “theorize” on what the South would be like today if it were a separate nation, based on war time actions Davis took a century and a half ago.

But you have no problems blaming all our ills on wartime actions Lincoln took. Well, if he is responsible for what our country has become, as you all seem to believe, then why wouldn't actions taken by the confederacy impact the nation it would become? No, you all ignore what the confederacy did and instead imagine it to be some sort of small government nirvana. With nothing to back that up except the usual run of Southron myth and fantasy.

You “theorize” expansion into Cuba and other places.

No theory to it. The 1860 platforms that Breckenridge and Douglas ran on are clear on that - acquisition of Cuba was something to be pursued. And when the provisional confederate constitution was presented to the conference in Montgomery in February 1861, the first objection made was to the name of the proposed country - the confederate states of North America. The delegates thought that was too limiting and dropped the 'North'. Confederate expansion plans, and the motiviation behind it, was no secret.

You fret about South African style apartheid, as if the current South Africa is an improvement.

And the police state that preceeded it is a much better situation? If you're white, that is? Well, that may well have been the confederacy of 2009. And no doubt you would be happy being a part of it.

The solution for South Africa would be to divide the nation and give whites and blacks their own territory, possibly even multiple territories for the blacks since the various tribes hate one another. Multiculturalism never works.

Again, when have I ever blamed Lincoln for anything, let alone all our ills?

You can speculate on all day and “predict” that the South would have become a horrible imperialist place of unmitigated evil, but speculation is all it is. I merely asked you not to speculate, but to look at present day America, AS IT EXISTS, and imagine how elections would go if the South weren’t there. We know how they would go, don't we? We don't have to speculate based on some wartime action Lincoln took or some diatribe by a Radical Republican circa 1866.

We KNOW how the non-South US votes. I'd just like to know if you'd like to live in such a nation or if you're happy that the South is here to hold socialism back a little. We do the best we can, but as the creeping blue continues to move into Virginia and elsewhere we may not be able to do it for long.

For the record, I don't bemoan the fact that we're still part of the Union. I'm proud to be an American citizen. I just get tired of being bashed, on a conservative message board no less, for wanting to celebrate the ancestral heritage of possibly the last remaining bulwark against the United Socialist States of America.