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To: IrishCatholic
Ah so you do support slavery then :>} You buy meat processed by illegals, you buy goods made by Chinese labor {we all do like it or not you do to}, why I bet you even eat fast food.

It's obvious you don't read post. I said I would not own a slave as it is a huge moral responsibility to provide for them. IOW a liability to be taken serious. No thanks.

The difference is we are not China and any person can achieve freedom even back in the old Pre-Civil War south. In China all persons live under Communist rule. Communist government and not free enterprise markets sets wages and the economical conditions. The Communist don't care who lives or who dies as a society they have no moral conscience. Actually there were a considerable number of free blacks living in the south. Some we slave owners or traders. The idea that every black person living in the south was slave is not true. Any more so than every black person in the north was free.

Also most slaves were not mistreated as such. Beat the crap out of a man and there is 50/50 odds he is gonna turn on you at some point. Most owners didn't wish to go there. When the war ended the former slaves in a lot of cases returned to the Plantations or farms. Thus share cropping began in earnest.

So why you suppose didn't Unkle Abe's friends give them jobs up north? Because the northern labor force would not tolerate working side by side perhaps? No thanks they said you done enough now leave? Anymore than they would being buried beside them perhaps? No the skilled labor of the north wasn't going for it. This lead to race riots as early as 1919 in the north.

If the north was the ideal Utopia then why were there riots up there in the 60's? Because despite the Politically Correct history re-write being taught today the north was anti-black. The Civil War was not about slavery. It was about states rights and economics of which the north wanted sole control of both. Unkie Abe was their puppet to get the job done. The south could have rotted away in poverty along with the slaves till it became an economic competition to them.

As for me I don't care what color a person is. I was only one of two to vote a black man for POTUS in the primaries in my precient and no it wasn't Obama. It was Keyes. My ancestors faced the wrongs done to many in the 1800's because at least one side of the family was Scot Irish. The color doesn't make the man. How he handles his way in life makes the man. I would rather be a slave to man and Free'd in GOD than be Free'd from GOD and set free by man.

406 posted on 03/22/2009 3:56:53 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: cva66snipe
Yea, I do read the posts. That is why illegals and the Chinese were examples of cheap labor. Don't you read the posts?

Moral responsibility in keeping another soul in degraded bondage? There is no morality there, only despotism. You wouldn't take the responsibility? If you would, then it would be OK?

The distinction between the CSA then, and Communist China now, is tenuous at best. There is no subservient slave group in China. The whole population is under yoke. The analogy was good only for showing labor costs and why the free labor of slavery was an incentive to keep people who looked different as property. Had the CSA survived and existed today, the very same FR on this thread would be typing from Southern States justifying how they lived off the labor of others they owned. They would defend it just like they are defending the failed Confederacy now.
But to own a person, you have to degrade that person in your own mind and in his. If it existed today as an institution, you would see what kept the South down after the Civil war up through the civil rights movement- The need to dehumanize a segment of the population as justification for their own despotism. Modern laws would be no different than they were in the 1860’s. I could just see the Potemkin plantations where everyone was smiling. I could just see the Internet sites with slaves for sale.

The myth about slaves not being mistreated is especially odious. Slave uprisings? Underground railroads? Rape? Mutilation as an example to other slaves? No, you cannot justify it at all, then or now.

Now, whenever you point out what cannot be justified, the absolute rule on this thread is to attack the North. “Abe did this. Abe did that. Abe ate babies and was really an alien.” The Neo’s always twist it from what they cannot admit. The Confederacy was about protecting and promoting slavery. End of story. Not state's rights, not fishing treaties, not tariffs. Any grievance under the sun is dragged up to excuse what was the primary cause of the split: SLAVERY.

The North wasn't a utopia. They didn't want waves of freed slaves moving North. Why? Because it was competition for jobs. Imagine a boss of that era. Why hire a white man when you can have a black man for a tenth the price? That brings us back to the modern example of illegal labor and how they undercut Americans. That is why I used it as an example.

History is just that, history. When I point out there was nothing noble about the Confederacy, the Neo’s have done everything from cheap slams about Irish drinking to Yardstick's scummy anti Catholic postings. But you miss the point. I don't hate the Confederacy any more than I hate Nazi Germany, The Huns, The Persian Empire, or the Romans. They don't exist anymore.
So I don't have a stake in the lie the Civil War was about state's rights. The only state's right in question was slavery.
The Civil War was about protecting slavery.

But what I do have a stake in, is I don't like lies or revisionism. I can look at the history of the United States and the period of the Civil War and see it as a whole, not parts.

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
John Adams, 1770

You may not care about what color a man's skin is, but the CSA did. There was nothing noble about the Confederacy. Now after hundreds of posts, and many attacks and the refusal to even admit to role of slavery in the CSA, no one has brought anything noble forward in defense of the Confederacy.
That omission is damning.

417 posted on 03/22/2009 5:08:33 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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