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When the South seceded they walked away from their share of the national debt, stole every bit of federal property they could get their hands on, repudiated responsibility for obligations the country entered into while they were a part, and were in a position to block access to the sea for the central part of the country. And in your insane world there was nothing that the remaining states could do to prevent it. Completely asinine.

Ok, that brings us right up today's issues my FRiend, I feel no obligation to Pelosi, Ried and Obama to pay the tab for their statist socialist experiment, they are running up bill's their and your butt can't pay. You are right with them, way to go, you have nice friends.

The assumption that I have to go along with that voluntarily is wrong, it takes the threat of violence to make me pay the federal bills which also takes me back to the wife beater apology.

PS: there was no deficit in 1860.

Ah yes, Ft. Sumpter. Yankees were asked to leave nicely, couldn't do it. Might have saved 600,000 lives.

Sumpter = Sumter

Ok, that brings us right up today's issues my FRiend, I feel no obligation to Pelosi, Ried and Obama to pay the tab for their statist socialist experiment, they are running up bill's their and your butt can't pay. You are right with them, way to go, you have nice friends.

And your Constitutional justification for that is...?

PS: there was no deficit in 1860.

Actually there was. About $65 million

Ah yes, Ft. Sumpter. Yankees were asked to leave nicely, couldn't do it.

Why should they? It was federal property.