Posted on 03/21/2009 6:26:13 AM PDT by cowboyway
Nothing has changed, the South was right; so you Yankees stop throwing stones, please; rest your arms and passions, don’t get angry, nor blame 95 percent of the Southron population, those “Colonel Kangaroos” whom are such privy sissies they need to be writing in Homes & Garden or selling Tupperware on infomercials not typing on FR
Read those words again!
That means they all did it voluntarily! They signed a valid contract and were not coerced to do so. That means those contracts were valid and they were bound by it.
If you want to break the contract, you have two options.
1. Appeal to the provisions implied in the contract (Art. IV Sec 3)
or... 2. Revolution!
See what James Madison said specifically when secession was discussed by a few politicians during the Nullification Crisis.
return my thanks for the copy of your late very powerful Speech in the Senate of the United S. It crushes "nullification" and must hasten the abandonment of "Secession." But this dodges the blow by confounding the claim to secede at will, with the right of seceding from intolerable oppression. The former answers itself, being a violation, without cause, of a faith solemnly pledged. The latter is another name only for revolution, about which there is no theoretic controversy.
In 1860, the Confederates did not appeal to Art. IV, nor did they claim a Right to Revolution from Intolerable Oppression.
They simply resorted to ignoring the contact they had freely entered. A violation, without cause, of a faith solemnly pledged.
If you are correct that if the constitution is simply something that can be ignored by the parties when convenient, why are we always bitching here about the people who violate or attempt to violate it?
What does conservatism mean if the Constitution has no meaning and no force of law?
That is why I participate on these threads. People who think they are somehow defending their Confederate ancestors are actually feeding justification in the here and now to those who would ignore the Constitution.
You may be ACORN's and the Left's best argument that the Constitution is just a old piece of paper that has only the meaning we want it to have at the moment. Don't like that 2nd Amendment???? Well then just ignore it! Is that what you want?
That is anarchy, not Conservatism.
2. It was about slavery. What others pointed out were opinions, not facts.
3. Short comings? So far none have been made evident. What has been made evident is that modern people have invested a lot of personal identity in a failed rebellion over 140 years ago.
Thank you for validating there was nothing noble about the Confederacy. I'll mark you down in that category.
The message board equivalent of reaching Appomattox. A situation in which Confederates have long experience.
I am quite sure if Booth tried to assassinate Lincoln by walking up to his face, he wouldn’t have been successful. And he would have been stupid.
To compare a Political Assassination to a slave uprising is just plain stupid.
The "Neo" is accurate because of the personal investment and emotional connection with that very short period of American history. It describes the viewpoints on display.
As for the left wing loons, they have their own issues and if a term is used that is similar to what they use, well, it happens.
Why? Because you don't like it?
You said “Killing a Tyrant is brave.”
Is there anything more tyrannical than enslaving another human being? You don't like it so much when that same standard is applied across the board, do you?
Hey, we are using your set of morality standards here. By your standards every slave would be justified and brave to have risen up and killed his or her master. Bitter isn't it.
Just a simple question which is, are you or anyone who oppose the Southern view point, proud of enslaving the South to northern standards? This is a similar pattern whether you'd like to admit this or not.
” That is why I participate on these threads. People who think they are somehow defending their Confederate ancestors are actually feeding justification in the here and now to those who would ignore the Constitution.
You may be ACORN’s and the Left’s best argument that the Constitution is just a old piece of paper that has only the meaning we want it to have at the moment. Don’t like that 2nd Amendment???? Well then just ignore it! Is that what you want?”
Fascism is a political method of gaining and retaining power by violence and the suppression of all opposition.Human political structures usually revolve around some form of charismatic leader and a governing force which compels allegiance from the population, usually with force. Individual liberty and self-government are very new concepts in the timeline of human history. Fascism, as a word, is less than a century old, but the concept is timeless.
There are many points in the timeline of American history that we could consider as the emergence of U.S. fascism. But the so-called “Civil War” era began a quantum leap to unfettered power.Although “the Civil War was fought over slavery” is the programming installed at the public indoctrination centers we attended during childhood, the real story behind that conflict suggests other causes.
The northern states wanted to impose taxes on imported agricultural equipment which was used in the primarily agrarian south. The southern states preferred to buy European equipment that was less expensive than the equipment manufactured in the industrial north.
The contest reached a constitutional crisis when the southern states walked out of Congress and began a secession from the union because the northern states wanted to exercise powers in excess of the Constitution’s authority.
President Lincoln began to unshackle the federalists from the chains of the Constitution by issuing Executive Orders. This included ordering a draft to fill the ranks of the Union army and calling a Union-only Congress into session. The draft was not popular, nor was his war.
The fascist Lincoln suppressed the protests of the draft in the north by meeting protesters with federal troops. A thousand New Yorkers were killed or wounded when protesting the draft for “Lincoln’s War.”
The southern “Rebels” attempted to stop the northern “Union” from rebelling against the Constitution, but the federal fascists prevailed in America’s bloodiest conflict and began the “Reconstruction Era.” The federalists now had their chance to usher in unfettered federalism. With the money powers of the north and the Industrial Revolution in full swing, private and public interests merged.
After reconstruction, the corporate state was further enriched by the land and resources acquired by westward expansion and the “belligerent nationalism” imposed on the west’s native peoples.
“That is anarchy, not Conservatism.”
The basic forms of constitutional government are used only for show purposes. We are not actually governed by anything constitutional. Congress exceeds its constitutional powers with great abandon. The President operates an executive regime that declares war and issues its own orders. The courts no longer interpret laws in the light of the Constitution. They legislate with elaborate doctrines, in defiance of plain English and our fundamental Rights.
In true fascist fashion, swarms of federal agencies have been sent hither “with an ideology of belligerent nationalism” to control opposition and bring everyone into the fold of the corporate state.
Just as socialism isn’t exactly communism, a single dictator doesn’t lead our federal fascists. Keeping the outer appearance of constitutional form, a multi-headed fascist, administrative dictatorship has assumed the awesome power to regulate our national lives
That's strange. Your source states:
The first federal income tax in American history actually preceded the Internal Revenue Act of 1862. Passed in August 1861, it had helped assure the financial community that the government would have a reliable source of income to pay the interest on war bonds. Initially, Salmon Chase and Thaddeus Stevens, Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, wanted to implement an emergency property tax ...It was the Act of August 5, 1861 [C. XLV, 12 Stat. 292, § 49, 1861]. Passed by the FEDERAL [Union] Congress.
He didn't fight anyone off. He was trapped like a rat and even his demented mind realized after reading the papers that even the very real Confederates of the day (not the BS Internet neo-confederates of today) considered him to be a cold blooded murderer, not the hero his demented 'actor' brain thought he was going to be. I could see one of these Hollywood super-ego types doing something like that today. Their egos are just as grand as Booth's.
Booth was every bit as crazy as Oswald, Guiteau, Czolgosz, Cermak, Fromme, Moore, Hinckley, and Arutyunian. All little men (and two women) who were obsessed lunatics.
I know that many on this thread have emotional and psychological attachments to a viewpoint that borders on pathological, but this drives the delusion to a whole new level.
You are transposing present day with 140 years ago. You are using ‘enslaved’ in a cavalier manner that belittles the actual condition, and equating “North” with oppressor and “South” with oppressed, like right now Ohio is somehow keeping Florida down.
Also, is the “Southern view” shared by all in the South? Or just the whites in the South? Think you can speak for the descendant's of those four million slaves at the beginning of the CSA? Think they also pine for the days of calling someone ‘master’? Or do you just discount anyone who doesn't share your views?
I don't know about Northern standards as opposed to Southern standards. That is either something made up in your mind or something lacking in your world view. I believe that God made all men equal regardless of their location or physical appearance. Is that a Northern standard?
Seek help from a qualified professional.
aye matey! slow on the draw ....
Deo Vindice !
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