Not sure where that heroic freedom fighter fell. Looks like Gettysburg? Devils Den?
Posted on 03/21/2009 6:26:13 AM PDT by cowboyway
Yes they did fact surrender their status as 'sovereign nations' (which they never really had anyway.) But they expressly singed away the ability to conduct foreign policy, establish currency, regulate trade, declare war and make treaties.
All of the instruments of national sovereignty were surrendered to the common government in the very text of the constitution that they ratified. States retained local rights, but they relinquished the fundamental rights of nationhood to the national government by adopting the constitution.
For you DiLorenzo cultists, what exactly is it that you think the constitution said?
thanks for the ping, just replied to many
Shooting a man in the back in the presence of his wife is not.
Plausible, (it would require your convention the Re-write Art IV -- and who knows what else they may re-write at the same time.) But under the current constitution, it only takes a simple majority in congress to agree to the admission of a state (or a change in state borders as long as that state(s) agree, ergo it would only take a simple majority to expel a state as long as that state agrees to be expelled.
Getting 3/4 of the states to agree on anything is very difficult.
Getting back to the original discussion, from my studies, if the Cotton States in the 1850s had petitioned congress for a vote to expel them, (as long as debts were assumed and common property properly divided) I think they would have had a good chance of success.
Looks like you should take your own advice. "the biggest trade in those days up north was slave ship building?" Where did you come up with such a crazy statement?
“Yes they did fact surrender their status as ‘sovereign nations’ (which they never really had anyway.) But they expressly singed away the ability to conduct foreign policy, establish currency, regulate trade, declare war and make treaties.”
Can we sing this together “We Are the World”~NOT!
Thomas Jefferson said, “the States entered into a compact which is called the Constitution of the United States.”
John Quincy Adams, stated, “our Constitution of the United States and all our State Constitutions, have been voluntary compacts.”
Chief Justice John Jay, an advocate of a strong central government in the case Chisholm v. State of Georgia, “expressly declares that the Constitution of the United States is a Compact.
“That it will be a federal and not a national act, as these terms are understood by the objectors; the act of the people, as forming so many independent States, not as forming one aggregate nation [...] Each State, in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its voluntary act” (James Madison, Federalist Papers, Number 39).
Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist No. 33 on January 3, 1788, “If the federal government should overpass the just bounds of its authority and make a tyrannical use of its powers, the people, whose creature it is, must appeal to the standard they have formed, and take such measures to redress the injury done to the Constitution as the exigency may suggest and prudence justify.”
Not sure where that heroic freedom fighter fell. Looks like Gettysburg? Devils Den?
Always enjoy seeing pictures of dead confederates.
And yet here you are.
But it's been shown time and again that the South did go to war over slavery.
Now you keep saying it was a civil war but to be pedantic here it was not so I would suggest you go and look up what a civil war is.
From Merriam Webster:
Civil War - : a war between opposing groups of citizens of the same country.
Accurate, but it would be more accurate would be to call it a rebellion, an open, armed, and usually unsuccessful defiance of or resistance to an established government.
I figured as much.
I’ll reply to you once as I have been down this road with your crap before and have seen your past comments on other issues.
Check it out before you dismiss
good bye
p.s.
you have stated in the past that you find these kind of threads entertaining, well I have a life so I don’t get on here all day every day but if you feel winding others up as entertainment then I think maybe just maybe you might find other avenues for you to find entertainment as there is a world out there than just what you find or where you spend all day every day.
bye
No. You made the claim, you back it up. If you can. The biggest trade up North in those days was slave ship building. Evidence please.
N/S last comments just clarifies to all of us what kind of a person they are.
I wouldn’t waste my time friend replying to them as it is a waste of time.
Bit like the kid who will never learn regardless of how much or how many say it is wrong.
Or.
It’s like the kid who has nothing to do with their life so they go out trying to get a reaction from the folks in the neighborhood, everyone knows who the kid is but still they have to put up with the neighborhood fool
Every thread involving H1-b gets fanatics defending it. Same with CW threads anti south fanatics. Almost like there are being paid or something.
If you want a bigger locale, try reading the account of Burnside’s liberation of Knoxville. But Red Clay was a good example of the type of community where people did their own work and the curse of slavery was largely unknown. Where slavery was largely absent in the South, the southerners tended to be pretty strongly in favor of the North. I guess that they didn’t swallow that tariff and states rights line either.
by Sam Wadkins
First hand account from a southern grunt. I don't think he talks about slavery 5 times in the entire book. No historian will clain his motivation was to keep slavery alive or racial. He even says he fought for states rights. I guess you can't believe anything a dirty reb says.....
A conventional win was out of the question once GB and France stayed out. But if the South was united and truly convinced of the worthiness of the cause a guerrilla conflict with small diffused forces supported by a committed populace could have extended the war quite a long time. I give credit to Lee for disdaining a continued struggle at Appomattox. The people with the guts and know-how like Lee had the good sense to know the Confederacy wasn't worth it. And the stay at home patriots of the political Confederacy had the love of the Cslave empire but not the guts to continue a fight where they might have to actually sacrifice.
Good for Sam. There were some of those, but not enough for the CSA to prevail. By the end of the war the core of the true believers had been largely killed off and was outnumbered by the deserters, reluctant conscripts and the hardcore Unionists.
How about the periodic postings here of the lyrics to the song “I’m a Good Old Rebel” accompanied by glee at the thought of dead yankee soldiers?
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