Posted on 11/15/2008 6:48:02 PM PST by palmer
It's apparent that a combination of fervent believers and a small number of psychopaths and/or infiltrators have dominated the birth certificate discussion. The early evidence was in their favor and everyone should have been skeptical of the low res images on Kos, smears and politifact. The new evidence is not and is not being addressed objectively.
But photo #5 (and some of the others) is a genuine photograph of an artifact. It was not created in photoshop. That doesn't mean photoshop was not involved. A plausible set of steps is
1. Scan a real COLB including the border
2. Import into photoshop and change the text to Obama's text
3. Print the result onto the cross hatched paper (could be forged separately)
4. Obtain a embossing seal and apply it to the printout 5. Fold it as if it came from an envelope and display it to the factcheck photographer.
Another plausible scenario is someone in the Hawaii office did all the forging but on the official equipment and using the official seal. Another possibility is someone stole a seal and sold it to a forger. It is certainly possible for a forger to make a seal using the right equipment (probably a laser etcher).
The Kenya trip meme seemed to turn into an established fact in early July when proposed by null and void and properly ridiculed. Even into November null and void can only repeat her hypothesis (a honeymoon) apparently unwilling or unable to embellish it further.
Polarik surrounds himself with a number of true believers and useful idiots. The useful idiots are the ones who validate or praise his analysis while obviously not knowing anything about it. The true believers have convinced themselves that Obama was not born in Honolulu and are unable to evaluate the evidence objectively.
In their favor, the true believers have established that Obama has potential Indonesian citizenship (courtesy of Soetoro) as well as potential Kenyan citizenship (courtesy of Obama Sr). These are true regardless of where Obama was born. For the former the Kenyan citizenship would have to be activated by Obama. For the latter, Soetoro would have had to apply to make Obama an Indonesian citizen, it does not happen automatically via adoption.
The bottom line for Polarik is he has yet to address the certificate linked above. He has promised to do this for weeks now and is instead disseminating and repeating his various diatribes against Obama. My guess based on his past behavior is that he will release a rehash of the evidence against the old scan (Kos, smears, politifact) with a bit of new verbiage against the factcheck photos. He will properly point out some oddities in some of the photos while ignoring the obvious salient features in the decent photos such as number 5.
He and I have already argued about the seal (embossing) in number 5 and he claims it is a perfect circle (therefore forged). I showed that it wasn't http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq51/palmer2/circle.jpg and he replied with a very similar result except he used some edge detection first. He obviously just fools with some tools, but doesn't obtain any useful results. When it comes to image analysis he is a dabbler, not an expert.
With cover from his defenders he establishes a "sensitive" personality claiming that he is being ruthlessly attacked. He says that as a result he will stop posting on the certificate issue when he is done with his final writeup. I don't know if that's a real sensitivity or faked, but even if it is faked there are thousands more that will step into his shoes if he disappears.
That thread and others contain useful nuggets about other Obama problems. There are alternative threads that speak to real evidence although some of those get beaten down by the Polarik army. Polarik's followers also use Freepmail to spread gossip about posters like myself and allegedly (according to them) posted about me on another forum.
That is all good. The more publicity I get on this particular issue, the better. But I remain concerned that FreeRepublic will have the appearance of a conspiracy site because only a rather intensive conspiracy could produce the evidence photographed by Factcheck.
I am also concerned that Factcheck and others might be deliberately planting poor quality evidence in an attempt to hook in the Polariks of the world and their followers. That would not necessarily require a conspiracy although I admit it has the flavor of one. It is to the liberal opposition's benefit to keep as many people on false trails as possible not just to waste their time but to portray them as unhinged. That result was detrimental in the last election and will be detrimental in 2010 and 2012.
IMO of course.
Sorry, you’re wrong.
“1-1. PERSONS TO BE REGISTERED AND DAYS OF REGISTRATION
1-101. Male citizens of the United States and other males residing in the United States,
unless exempted by the Military Selective Service Act, as amended, who were born on or
after January 1, 1960, and who have attained their eighteenth birthday, shall present
themselves for registration in the manner and at the time and places as hereinafter
provided.
1-102. Persons born in calendar year 1960 shall present themselves for registration on any
of the six days beginning Monday, July 21, 1980.
1-103. Persons born in calendar year 1961 shall present themselves for registration on any
of the six days beginning Monday, July 28, 1980.
1-104. Persons born in calendar year 1962 shall present themselves for registration on any
of the six days beginning Monday, January 5, 1981.”
For a while in Hawaii, a birth announcement from a newspaper was all that was needed to get a COLB issued.
Welcome to FR. Glad you could sign up today to defend palmer and 0bama...
They’re a bunch of community organizers sent to agitate us.
hmmmm, crickets.
Good post. Maybe even worthy of its own thread. We could include links to some of the more pertinent and interesting articles to help freepers come up to speed as this issue gathers momentum.
Oh, null and void.
We are too great friends. Where the heck did I say that?
My best regards.
When compared to other COLB’s It’s muddled, it’s blurred, it’s misaligned, it is corrupted, it looks nothing like what we would could and should expect from a State or Federal Official document to which an official seal is stamped for the purposes of Identification.
For instance the crosshatching is blurred and muddled with no clear definition to the lines, and as has been pointed out several times the lines at the corners are misaligned. We know from a number of sources that the border is slightly out of shape that is to say not a prefect rectangle so that the dimensions are corrupted as is the standardized print for like Father Mother and other such entry items when compared to other COLB’s.
But more importantly and despite all the defects in this COLB Obama himself has admitted he has his original in his book “Dreams of My Father”
I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school.
Obama has his original but had to prove his citizenship with a series of forgeries the first being the one from the Daily KOs which was so loaded with flaws a blind man could have exposed it.
First it had no seal and no folds and there was the print with the white behind it and the curious backwards and upside down date stamp.
next we saw a more refined version appear on Obama's website. this one was a little more refined if view with a process in adobe bphotoshop I was unable to duplicate you could we were told barely see an imprint of a stamp and a distortion that may have been a fold. Of course this convoluted process was (dis)covered by techdude who has since go into hiding for what ever his reasons are.
Then Obama took a trip to Hawaii to visit his grandmother. and when he got back low and behold Factcheck.org is invited to Obama's headquarters in Chicago (identified by the rug pattern) and takes pictures of the suspect document and announces to the world they have seen it and photographed it(with of course a legal caveat that no one among the fact check crew that actually touched the holiest of holies could Identify a forgery if their lives depended on it)
Of course this quickly allows those that seek to bury any controversy to do so without addressing the most glaring example of what was wrong with the original KOS document, that being the border that was so obvious people with no experience with photo shop could see something wasn't right.
and it is still not right.
There's enough smoke around this to make me think there's a flame....
But, I dunno for sure about much these days........
MOLON LABE
BTW, the Constitution does not limit the prohibition of ex post facto laws explicitly to criminal statutes, though there have been breaches of that prohibition in other areas of the law. In those instances, for the most part, no one was harmed and so no suits questioning the constitutionality of those statutes were filed.
LOL!
I'll clear it up in a bit...
We are too great friends. Where the heck did I say that?
My best regards.
You didn't. I was quoting plamer. He said it.
While I was looking for my original Kenya honeymoon post, I came across your link to the Eunice Moscoso/Austin Statesman article about his Kenyan relatives who claimed they attended 0bama's birth in Kenya. Since I quoted you in my post, I pinged you to it...
No harm, no foul. (More coffee? I can have Darks whip you up some)...
Crumbs my dear friend:
“While I was looking for my original Kenya honeymoon post, I came across your link to the Eunice Moscoso/Austin Statesman article about his Kenyan relatives who claimed they attended 0bama’s birth in Kenya.”
I must be losing my mind. Please refresh my mind where I said that.
My best regards to you and love to your family.
FALSE. While the Selective Service registration requirement had been dropped for a few years, the Carter Administration reinstituted required Selective Service registration (though not an active draft) in 1979. Men born in 1961 (about 18 years old at the time) were among those required to register in accordance with the Carter Administration directive.
I think that is an excellent idea. That way people won’t be trying to discuss the situation lacking the facts/history. And agitators can be directed there to study up and get back later.
Ignore the bad analyses, and accept that all the speculation only lays out possibilities. The real story is all the suits, and Obama’s attempts to stonewall. There could very well be something here
I agree we need to get to the bottom of it, but it won't happen if you ignore the bad analysis. For one thing there are numerous people here who aren't convinced who are not paid agents or closet Obama supporters. I think you'll get a lot further accepting and acknowledging the criticism.
After your nap go back to post #359 and find this line:
Here Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer) quotes Eunice Moscoso of The Austin Statesman:
...and click on the red underlined Here.
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