Then you're claiming that BHO was born on Aug. 8, 1961 and not Aug 4, 1961 as shown on his COLB, which is it?
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg
Again, sorry for the giant image. 
Posted on 11/15/2008 6:48:02 PM PST by palmer
It's apparent that a combination of fervent believers and a small number of psychopaths and/or infiltrators have dominated the birth certificate discussion. The early evidence was in their favor and everyone should have been skeptical of the low res images on Kos, smears and politifact. The new evidence is not and is not being addressed objectively.
But photo #5 (and some of the others) is a genuine photograph of an artifact. It was not created in photoshop. That doesn't mean photoshop was not involved. A plausible set of steps is
1. Scan a real COLB including the border
2. Import into photoshop and change the text to Obama's text
3. Print the result onto the cross hatched paper (could be forged separately)
4. Obtain a embossing seal and apply it to the printout 5. Fold it as if it came from an envelope and display it to the factcheck photographer.
Another plausible scenario is someone in the Hawaii office did all the forging but on the official equipment and using the official seal. Another possibility is someone stole a seal and sold it to a forger. It is certainly possible for a forger to make a seal using the right equipment (probably a laser etcher).
The Kenya trip meme seemed to turn into an established fact in early July when proposed by null and void and properly ridiculed. Even into November null and void can only repeat her hypothesis (a honeymoon) apparently unwilling or unable to embellish it further.
Polarik surrounds himself with a number of true believers and useful idiots. The useful idiots are the ones who validate or praise his analysis while obviously not knowing anything about it. The true believers have convinced themselves that Obama was not born in Honolulu and are unable to evaluate the evidence objectively.
In their favor, the true believers have established that Obama has potential Indonesian citizenship (courtesy of Soetoro) as well as potential Kenyan citizenship (courtesy of Obama Sr). These are true regardless of where Obama was born. For the former the Kenyan citizenship would have to be activated by Obama. For the latter, Soetoro would have had to apply to make Obama an Indonesian citizen, it does not happen automatically via adoption.
The bottom line for Polarik is he has yet to address the certificate linked above. He has promised to do this for weeks now and is instead disseminating and repeating his various diatribes against Obama. My guess based on his past behavior is that he will release a rehash of the evidence against the old scan (Kos, smears, politifact) with a bit of new verbiage against the factcheck photos. He will properly point out some oddities in some of the photos while ignoring the obvious salient features in the decent photos such as number 5.
He and I have already argued about the seal (embossing) in number 5 and he claims it is a perfect circle (therefore forged). I showed that it wasn't http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq51/palmer2/circle.jpg and he replied with a very similar result except he used some edge detection first. He obviously just fools with some tools, but doesn't obtain any useful results. When it comes to image analysis he is a dabbler, not an expert.
With cover from his defenders he establishes a "sensitive" personality claiming that he is being ruthlessly attacked. He says that as a result he will stop posting on the certificate issue when he is done with his final writeup. I don't know if that's a real sensitivity or faked, but even if it is faked there are thousands more that will step into his shoes if he disappears.
That thread and others contain useful nuggets about other Obama problems. There are alternative threads that speak to real evidence although some of those get beaten down by the Polarik army. Polarik's followers also use Freepmail to spread gossip about posters like myself and allegedly (according to them) posted about me on another forum.
That is all good. The more publicity I get on this particular issue, the better. But I remain concerned that FreeRepublic will have the appearance of a conspiracy site because only a rather intensive conspiracy could produce the evidence photographed by Factcheck.
I am also concerned that Factcheck and others might be deliberately planting poor quality evidence in an attempt to hook in the Polariks of the world and their followers. That would not necessarily require a conspiracy although I admit it has the flavor of one. It is to the liberal opposition's benefit to keep as many people on false trails as possible not just to waste their time but to portray them as unhinged. That result was detrimental in the last election and will be detrimental in 2010 and 2012.
IMO of course.
At worst I am an attention-seeker. At best I am helping you put aside Polarik and demand some quality analysis.
“Hillary could have had proof he was a Mars Alien and the media would bury the story just like they are doing this story....”
Seems like We the People need to start by physically dismantling the FCC...and tossing the 5 Commissioners...
The intensity seems to be more imagined than real.
I agree. It would have given him a boost in the election and shown how the meanie conservatives were out to get him. I just can't figure out why he isn't able to put out a better forgery to clear himself of this pesky issue. Is he so afraid of this issue and that bringing good forgers in might backfire?
Tell me how Zero could have registered on a Feb 1 1980 form when there was no draft registration in place in Feb 1 of 1980.
You surely can load this document.
http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAViewICR?ref_nbr=198002-3240-001#
DId they know at the time of the request that Carter was trying to return the draft and thus were trying to get prepared. No draft in place . Over 1 million man hours. Withdrawn.
No feb 1 1980 form.
You seem to have all the answers. Two questions:
1.) How long have you worked for obama?
and
2.) How is going to respond to all these lawsuits?
Not the one I saw. Also it was scanned not photographed.
Then you're claiming that BHO was born on Aug. 8, 1961 and not Aug 4, 1961 as shown on his COLB, which is it?
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg
Again, sorry for the giant image.
Here is the critical datte that needs to be shown by inspection of the ORIGINAL vault copy of the birth certificate:
THE DATE THAT THE BIRTH WAS REGISTERED.
If this date is BEFORE the date that Ann Dunham showed up in Lake Washington with Obama in her arms asking for help in changing diapers, that would indicate that she had traveled to Washington from Hawaii, and perhaps the episode can be ended. On the other hand if the birth was registered some days LATER than the date Ann Dunham showed up in Washington, it is a reasonable surmise that she was on her way back to Hawaii (from somewhere else) and lends credibility to the notion that Obama wasNOT born in Hawaii.
Let’s all get beyond the notion that those of us who smell a rat here are loons. We are not. We are simply asking that this matter be put to rest by the production of best evidence, just as would be required by any court.
The fact that best evidence has NOT been produced for inspection is itself reason for suspicion, but it is not determinative.
Let’s just say that there is a timeline here that needs explanation, and none has been forthcoming.
Thank you. Yet, that's the COLB that was initially posted by Factcheck as the "real" COLB.
If Factcheck as you've proven, has already been known to post a fake photoshopped COLB as authentic...
How do you know that anything posted subsequently is authentic?
Also, why would someone running for President post their "proof" on Factcheck?
To me the lower courts ruling of no standing is actually more worrisome than the issue of the BC.
They seem to be saying that you have no right to question if the constitution is being upheld.
Perhaps they later realised that problem, and corrected it in their new version (hence why Obama’s says ‘Date filed by Registrar’ and not ‘Dated filed by State Registrar’).
I think accusing some random person’s genealogy site of faking a birth certificate of someone from their family tree for political reasons is a bit of a stretch.
I am not playing dumb here, just don't know what I am supposed to be comparing.
Great find!
It’s the only one KOS has. And it is high res. Download it and open it in any photo program. It is at least 5 times the resolution of the version on FIght the Smears.
You are assuming Bush wanted McCain to win.
My uncle worked at Fort Knox in the late 80’s and trust me he told me the gov’t researched the hell out of him.Obama couldn't even get an FBI or secret service job or any top secret clearance, but because of the quirky rules of election, he is now privelaged to our nations most secret (or was most secret) secrets.
The media should have vetted Obama. They didn't.
The reason there are so many questions about his birth is that people in Kenya say he was born there. What family members claimed those presidents you mentioned where born in other countries?
Yes, in fact, the majority of Americans with an opinion on the issue still don't think that one man killed Kennedy. A congressional Select Committee on Assassinations (in 1979) came to the conclusion that the Kennedy assassination was likely the result of a conspiracy.
So those of us who believe that, supported by the bulk of the evidence, are hardly "crazies," but very rational people.
The more I think about it, since he stated that producing his Vault Birth Certificate would “embarrass” him, there could only be a few reasons for his embarrassment.
1- His name is listed as Barry Dunham.
2- His father is not listed OR some other name is listed.
3- His ethnicity is listed as Caucasian.
Then there's the fact that Lolo Soetoro ADOPTED him and made him a citizen of Indonesia and changed his last name. This put any paperwork in Hawai’i under seal, effectively keeping it out of the hands of the public as adoptions are wont to do.
That would mean that the Sotoro or Soetoro adoption birth certificate is only available in Indonesia. I don't know what Indonesian laws are regarding a third party asking for a copy of a Birth Certificate after an Indonesian adoption. I imagine if it were possible, someone would have been able to obtain it.
What worse embarrassment than having your ethnicity listed as Caucasian when you have formulated your entire persona around being Black?
How do you think Black America is going to react after finding out that they have been duped by a White? Barry Obama posing as Al Jolson?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awbGc8XPFJ8
Sorry, I was wrong, there are three dates: the birth date, the filing date, and the printing date. The filing date is usually just after the birth (with exceptions). The printing date for DeCosta is 2002 and for Factcheck is 2007. The filing and birth dates have nothing to do with that.
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