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The way I see it, it boils down to how a person answers this sort of question:

If everything were falling apart, the social order was breaking down in such a fashion as to make the Rodney King Riots look like Romper Room, and the economic system was faltering like in the great depression and [fill in the blank on various other disaster scenarios for mankind] and we had nuclear weapons at the ready with crazy generals in the field with their hands on the buttons, how do you think we would get out of this? Where do you place your faith? Would it be placed on man’s ability to right himself? Would it be placed on God and His care for His creation? How would we get out of this?

Science faithers typically answer by saying they have faith in how science deals with issues and that’s where the answers would come from. Their faith is in science, in the wisdom of man. I don’t think it’s a big deal that they place their faith there ( I used to ) but they should be up front about this supposition.

All the worlds religions can be boiled down into two religions:

God is sovereign

Man is sovereign (man earns his salvation)

Saturday, June 21, 2008
“And the Weird Light Shines in the Dorks, but the Dorks Don’t Comprehend it

What is reality, anyway? Our paradigmatic science, physics, reduces the world to a few beautiful equations, but the equations don’t tell us how to generate a world with them. In fact, they provide no factual content whatsoever for the world we actually encounter. So which world is the “real” world? The inconceivable quantum world undescribed by physics, the ponderable world we encounter with our senses, or the eternal world known only to the illuminated intellect?

Science is obviously a wonderful tool, but when it is elevated to a metaphysic it is remarkably empty of content and meaning, especially as it pertains to the meaning of our human journey, the Adventure of Consciousness. One of the implications of Gödel’s theorems is that any logical or mathematical system will generate questions that are not answerable within the system. Ironically — or perhaps “cluelessly” is a better word — many postmodernists use Gödel to try to prove that all knowledge is therefore relative, but this was not Gödel’s point at all.

Rather, Gödel ...” ~ Gagdad Bob

Continue: http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/2008/06/and-weird-light-shines-in-dorks-but.html

Robert W.Godwin [Gagdad Bob] , Ph.D is a clinical psychologist whose interdisciplinary work has focused on the relationship between contemporary psychoanalysis, chaos theory, and quantum physics.

If everything were falling apart, the social order was breaking down in such a fashion as to make the Rodney King Riots look like Romper Room, and the economic system was faltering like in the great depression and [fill in the blank on various other disaster scenarios for mankind] and we had nuclear weapons at the ready with crazy generals in the field with their hands on the buttons, how do you think we would get out of this? Where do you place your faith? Would it be placed on man’s ability to right himself? Would it be placed on God and His care for His creation? How would we get out of this?

Why do some believers think that God's caring for His creation would involve protecting them from pain or discomfort or death? All of the apostles except John died traumatically. A lot of very righteous people throughout history experienced great pain. This life is a microscopic blip on a time line of eternity, the time line of our souls. That's what God cares about. Putting your faith in God to save you from pain means you don't have real faith because you don't understand what it means.