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To: Technogeeb
"The right is secured for the people, not "the militia".

Well, I've been told the people were the militia. Whatever.

"The "militia" is a collective, and collectives do not have rights, only individuals."

Maybe "civic" is a better descriptor. For example, voting is a civic right. You have the individual right to vote, but that right is secured for the people (collectively) only during certain circumstances -- you can't vote anytime you want to.

Similarly, the second amendment protects your individual right to keep and bear arms from federal infringement, but that right is secured for the people (collectively) only during certain circumstances -- when they assemble to form a well regulated state Militia.

All other times, your individual right to keep and bear arms is protected by your state constitution.

"Not "militias", but singular "Militia"."

And the singular "Militia" consists of the militias of the several states. Therefore, my statement that, "Congress has the constitutional power to organize the militia of each state" is correct.

"they could have used language like "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

So you're saying that "the people" in the second amendment means "every person".

The 5th amendment extends due process to every person. It says so. That protection applies to citizens AND non-citizens. It applies to children, the insane, illegal aliens, foreign visitors, prisoners, etc. Every person. You're saying these people have second amendment protection to keep and bear arms?

Who can't understand basic English? Who's a liar?

356 posted on 11/14/2007 5:20:12 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Similarly, the second amendment protects your individual right to keep and bear arms from federal infringement, but that right is secured for the people (collectively) only during certain circumstances -- when they assemble to form a well regulated state Militia.

Justice "dead wrong" Stevens attempted to assert the same nonsense in the Heller decision today. Justice Scalia's (and the official position of the United States) opinion shows that you, just like Stevens, are "dead wrong".

357 posted on 06/26/2008 10:46:24 PM PDT by Technogeeb
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