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Second Amendment Rights and Black Sheep
dansargis.org ^ | October 17, 2007 | Dan Sargis

Posted on 10/17/2007 11:48:49 AM PDT by Dr.Syn

 

  

Second Amendment Rights and Black Sheep

October 18, 2007 

After carefully reviewing the historical documents pertaining to the drafting and ratification of the Bill of Rights, I am unable to find a single instance of “intent” that the Second Amendment was the bastard child of the litter.

And yet liberals (including the Mainstream Media), who treat nine of the original Amendments with the same reverence they bestow on Mao’s Little Red Book, consistently treat the Second Amendment as the flawed bastard of the Bill. 

If any of our Constitutional Rights were trampled to the same extent that the exercise of Second Amendment Rights are daily disparaged and denied...the American Civil Liberties Union would suffer a collective panty-twist. 

In June of this year James Goldberg had his gun confiscated by the Glastonbury, Connecticut police and his gun permit was revoked after he was charged with breach of peace. 

Goldberg entered a Chili’s restaurant to pick up a takeout order on June 21.  When he reached for his wallet to pay for the order a waitress spotted his legally owned and carried gun under his shirt and called the Glastonbury police. 

What happened next should frighten all Americans. 

As reported by the Hartford Courant, “Officers arrived and pushed Goldberg against the wall, while customers and wait staff watched. Goldberg, the soft-spoken son of a 30-year police veteran, said he calmly told the officers he had a permit to carry. They checked it out and found that he did. But because the waitress was alarmed he was arrested for breach of peace.” 

In true Gestapo style, Glastonbury Police Chief Thomas Sweeney had “...no problems with the officers' actions with regard to the incident,”  

And by the “always presumed guilty” treatment afforded legal gun owners, the state revoked Goldberg’s permit before his case even went to trial. 

Even though Goldberg’s arrest was dismissed by the Superior Court and his record was squeaky clean within a month of the incident, his permit was revoked and he had to apply to Connecticut Board of Firearms Permit examiners, “a civilian board that hears appeals on revoked or denied gun permits” for its reinstitution. 

The Board has given him a hearing date of May 14, 2009

Thankfully this Board is being sued by one of its own members,  M. Peter Kuck, secretary of the Board of Firearms Permit Examiners, for denying citizens their due process rights with regard to the denial of their Amendment II Rights. 

And another “alarmed” individual, Susan Mazzoccoli, executive director of the board, has responded to Kuck’s lawsuit in true totalitarian fashion...”We have tried to involve the governor's office to have him removed....” 

One can only imagine the national outcry if a poll worker became “alarmed” at the sight of a black man trying to cast his ballot and the police arrested that black man because he “alarmed” the female poll worker and then the state revoked his Fifteenth Amendment Right. 

Or better yet, in response to Malik Zulu Shabazz (head of the New Black Panthers)  ranting “death to Israel...the white man is the devil...Kill every goddamn Zionist in Israel! Goddamn little babies, goddamn old ladies! Blow up Zionist supermarkets” in front of the B’nai B’rith building in Washington, D.C...how about suspending the First Amendment rights of Black Muslims?  I bet he “alarmed” a few people that day. 

But pooping on your Second Amendment Right is no big deal. 

For the sake of those needing a refresher course, Amendment II of the Constitution states that, “A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” 

Not only does contemporary discussion of the Amendment go ludicrously out of its way to question the meaning of every word in Amendment II (including the placement of commas  in the text), but it also questions the legitimacy of the Amendment.   

In every instance, the liberals toil in angst while trying to nullify the intent and simplicity of Amendment II.   

Yale Law School professor Akhil Reed Amar believes that, “The amendment speaks of a right of ‘the people’ collectively rather than a right of ‘persons’ individually.”  (as if there is a difference between some abstract group of “people” and individual citizens) 

Yet, there seems to be no problem with the word “people” when it comes to the sacred First Amendment.  How can this be?  How can “people” in Amendment I instantly become individual persons but “people” in Amendment II are argued not to be individuals? 

By making Amendment XIV a “living right”, Professor Amar justifies this dichotomy by arguing, “...given that a broad reading is a policy choice rather than a clear constitutional command, it must be functionally justified. And the mere fact that, say, the First Amendment has been read expansively is not an automatic argument for equal treatment for the Second.”   

Amar further argues that, “...other amendments have been read generously; why not the Second?   The obvious functional idea that sticks and stones and guns...can indeed hurt others in ways that ...words cannot.” 

And to this argument, one might ask the simple question, “How many “persons” did Adolf Hitler or Joseph Goebbels actually kill with a gun versus how many “people” did they kill with words?” 

Or ask about the 1932, German election that yielded a major victory for Hitler’s National Socialist Party. The party won 230 seats in the Reichstag and made Hitler Chancellor of Germany.  (You have to love that right to vote) 

Yet, liberals fight daily to restore the voting rights of convicted felons while simultaneously trying to nullify the Second Amendment Rights of the innocent. 

Sort of gives a whole new meaning to Black Sheep. 



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To: ctdonath2
"Care to detail how the Constitution differentiates those two groups?"

Read the damn thing already. The first amendment protection of rights apply to everyone except where it specifically limits the protection of those rights.

If you need details from the U.S. Constitution, you're going to be disappointed.

41 posted on 10/18/2007 5:31:21 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen; harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
robertpaulsen wrote:

The right of assembly and the right to petition the government were protected only for "the people" - white, male, citizen landowners."

And

"I was merely correcting the poster who thought the Founding Fathers intended to protect the right to keep and bear arms for all persons. They intended no such thing. They didn't even protect it for all citizens."

I beg to differ. My take on American history is that the founding fathers meant for the rights enjoyed by the ruling class to eventually be enjoyed by all people, not just their white male selves; Hamilton was more of the mind you describe, but Jefferson and Madison were not. Given the societal mores and prejudices of that time, though, to get the Constitution ratified at all, some things had to be left out. Colorable arguments have been made that the abolition of slavery was treated similarly, left for a later time, just in order to get _something_ established. "The perfect is the enemy of the good" I believe was the operating principle then as it is so often now.

You make what appears to me to be a leap of faith in your interpretation of the ruling on United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez, stating that "white, male, citizen landowners" were the only ones with a "connection with this country". Granted, being able to vote was a great power they held over women, blacks, etc. at this nation's founding, but there is no language in that decision linking the extremely narrow criteria of having voting rights to an absolute "connection", a term that itself is, in legal terms, a mile wide.

Just my $0.02,

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42 posted on 10/18/2007 6:12:59 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: robertpaulsen

Well, let’s cut through the nonsense. Do you believe that Americans today have the right of self-defense? (which means firearms of course)


43 posted on 10/18/2007 6:24:43 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: robertpaulsen

Re-read. I didn’t say anything about a state militia.


44 posted on 10/18/2007 6:28:40 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Joe Brower

Don’t feed the troll. This isn’t the only issue they are a complete commie a$$tard on. The poster in question has an authoritarian streak a blue mile wide...


45 posted on 10/18/2007 6:37:34 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Joe Brower

Spot on. Well said


46 posted on 10/18/2007 7:11:19 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*RWVA)
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To: Joe Brower
"but there is no language in that decision linking the extremely narrow criteria of having voting rights to an absolute "connection"

It's difficult to imagine a connection to a country which does not allow you to vote. That's not to say that if you aren't allowed to vote you don't love your country or you're not patriotic. But you have no say. So where's the "connection"?

"My take on American history is that the founding fathers meant for the rights enjoyed by the ruling class to eventually be enjoyed by all people"

All people or all citizens? Big difference. All citizens or certain citizens?

Did they mean to extend voting rights eventually to children? The insane? Foreign visitors? Illegal aliens? They are also people (persons). They all enjoy the inalienable rights to liberty and life.

Granted, we have expanded the definition of "the people" through the amendment process to include nonwhites and women. But it still doesn't include all persons or even all citizens. It still, today, refers to a select group.

47 posted on 10/18/2007 7:14:51 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Dr.Syn; All

Try being a veteran with a head injury! We can have our rights trampled at a wim via the va. So I am posting this, for all to read....

“....Goverments are instututed amgon Men{and women} deriving their just powers from the consent of the goverend. That whenever any form of goverment becomes destructive of these ends, it is the RIGHT of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new goverment,laying it foundation on such principles and orignanizing it powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudance, indeed will dicate that goverments long established should not be changed for light and transiet causes; and accordingly all experiance hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same objective evinces a design to reduce them under absoluts DESPOTISM, it is their RIGHT, their DUTY, to THROW OFF such goverment, and to provide new guards for their furtue security.....”

Maybe the time is coming.....


48 posted on 10/18/2007 7:18:54 AM PDT by TMSuchman (American by birth, Rebel by choice, Marine by act of GOD!)
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To: Freedom4US
"Well, let’s cut through the nonsense. Do you believe that Americans today have the right of self-defense? (which means firearms of course)"

Everyone has the inalienable, God-given right to self defense. It's part of a right to life. Our country protects this right for all persons -- citizens, foreign visitors, illegal aliens, prisoners, the insane, children -- everyone. No exceptions.

In addition, you have a natural right to defend yourself with any weapon you want. No one "gives" you this right. It's yours. You're born with it.

Now, if you choose to live in a certain state, then you agree to live under the constitution of that state. If that state constitution is written such that your right to defend yourself includes defending yourself with a certain type of weapon, then that right is protected.

If that state constitution is written such that your right to defend yourself does not include defending yourself with a certain type of weapon, then that right is not protected. That doesn't mean you don't have the right. It means the right is not protected and laws MAY be written against that right.

For example, the right to keep and bear arms is not protected by the State of California (and five other states). But millions of Californians legally own guns and use them to protect themselves.

49 posted on 10/18/2007 7:33:32 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: ctdonath2
"Re-read. I didn’t say anything about a state militia."

You were referring to the second amendment which does.

50 posted on 10/18/2007 7:34:52 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Regarding women, I can immediately imagine a connection to a country which does not allow you to vote: bearing children, thereby ensuring an future for the country in question. That is "connection" at its most primal.

"People", "citizens", yes, there is a large difference in legal terms, and as you point out, there are limits to both. For example, you must be of a certain age to vote, or be at least 18 and not be judged to be crazy in order to lawfully possess a firearm, etc., etc. But as you stated earlier, the Constitution's language does not provide these details, and as I pointed out and you verified, refinements were made at a later time, and continue to be made. Most of the restrictions were for the states to decide, the fundamental principle of Federalism. How far we have strayed...

And to add even more shades of gray to the mix, you have instances were an 11-year-old kid uses his dad's .45 to kill a house-instruder threatening his mom, and despite his not legally have the ability to do such, is not charged with any crime. Real life demands a case-by-case study; there can be no justice when laws are absolute, a reality that the founders knew all too well.

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51 posted on 10/18/2007 7:36:38 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: robertpaulsen

The enumerated right clause is not subordinate to the militia clause. “The people”, whoever they are, are not necessarily “the militia”.

Again, I had not referred to whether the person in question (me) was in a state militia.

The 2ndA ends with “shall not be infringed” - meaning that protection of the


52 posted on 10/18/2007 7:47:05 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: ctdonath2
The funniest thing is that the liberals maintain that the Amendment applies to militia members only and then turn around and want all militia members arrested.

Let's face it, a militia is not a standing army and can be a group of neighbors banding together and organizing for the purpose of neighborhood or local defense from foreign or domestic.

53 posted on 10/18/2007 7:53:37 AM PDT by Dr.Syn
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To: Joe Brower
I can immediately imagine a connection to a country which does not allow you to vote: bearing children, thereby ensuring an future for the country in question."

Illegals (who cannot vote) bear children in this country. You're saying they have a connection to this country? You're saying their children ensure a future for this country?

I can equally argue that they and their children pose a threat to this country. That it is not their intent to assimilate or become citizens. To the contrary, it is their intent to take back the land negotiated in the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo.

"For example, you must be of a certain age to vote, or be at least 18 and not be judged to be crazy in order to lawfully possess a firearm, etc., etc."

Yes. Those are decisions made by each state.

"and despite his not legally have the ability to do such, is not charged with any crime."

Again, state law.

My only point was a constitutional protection extended to "the people" does not include "all persons" or even "all citizens" If the constitutional protection extended to all persons (eg., the 5th amendment) it said "person". If it extended only to citizens (eg., Article IV, Section 2) it said "citizens".

54 posted on 10/18/2007 7:57:33 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: ctdonath2
"The enumerated right clause is not subordinate to the militia clause."

No, it explains it.

Since the right didn't extend to "all persons", the preface defined who it protected.

"Again, I had not referred to whether the person in question (me) was in a state militia."

I know. I said that IF you were your right was protected by the second amendment. If you're not, then your right isn't protected by the second amendment.

55 posted on 10/18/2007 8:03:47 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Dr.Syn
THE UNABRIDGED SECOND AMENDMENT

by J. Neil Schulman

If you wanted to know all about the Big Bang, you'd ring up Carl Sagan, right ? And if you wanted to know about desert warfare, the man to call would be Norman Schwarzkopf, no question about it. But who would you call if you wanted the top expert on American usage, to tell you the meaning of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution ?

That was the question I asked A.C. Brocki, editorial coordinator of the Los Angeles Unified School District and formerly senior editor at Houghton Mifflin Publishers -- who himself had been recommended to me as the foremost expert on English usage in the Los Angeles school system. Mr. Brocki told me to get in touch with Roy Copperud, a retired professor of journalism at the University of Southern California and the author of "American Usage and Style: The Consensus."

A little research lent support to Brocki's opinion of Professor Copperud's expertise.

Roy Copperud was a newspaper writer on major dailies for over three decades before embarking on a a distinguished 17-year career teaching journalism at USC. Since 1952, Copperud has been writing a column dealing with the professional aspects of journalism for "Editor and Publisher", a weekly magazine focusing on the journalism field.

He's on the usage panel of the American Heritage Dictionary, and Merriam Webster's Usage Dictionary frequently cites him as an expert. Copperud's fifth book on usage, "American Usage and Style: The Consensus," has been in continuous print from Van Nostrand Reinhold since 1981, and is the winner of the Association of American Publisher's Humanities Award.

That sounds like an expert to me.

After a brief telephone call to Professor Copperud in which I introduced myself but did not give him any indication of why I was interested, I sent the following letter:

"I am writing you to ask you for your professional opinion as an expert in English usage, to analyze the text of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, and extract the intent from the text.

"The text of the Second Amendment is, 'A well-regulated Militia, being necessary for the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.'

"The debate over this amendment has been whether the first part of the sentence, 'A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State', is a restrictive clause or a subordinate clause, with respect to the independent clause containing the subject of the sentence, 'the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.'

"I would request that your analysis of this sentence not take into consideration issues of political impact or public policy, but be restricted entirely to a linguistic analysis of its meaning and intent. Further, since your professional analysis will likely become part of litigation regarding the consequences of the Second Amendment, I ask that whatever analysis you make be a professional opinion that you would be willing to stand behind with your reputation, and even be willing to testify under oath to support, if necessary."

My letter framed several questions about the test of the Second Amendment, then concluded:

"I realize that I am asking you to take on a major responsibility and task with this letter. I am doing so because, as a citizen, I believe it is vitally important to extract the actual meaning of the Second Amendment. While I ask that your analysis not be affected by the political importance of its results, I ask that you do this because of that importance."

After several more letters and phone calls, in which we discussed terms for his doing such an analysis, but in which we never discussed either of our opinions regarding the Second Amendment, gun control, or any other political subject, Professor Copperud sent me the follow analysis (into which I have inserted my questions for the sake of clarity):

[Copperud:] "The words 'A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,' contrary to the interpretation cited in your letter of July 26, 1991, constitutes a present participle, rather than a clause. It is used as an adjective, modifying 'militia,' which is followed by the main clause of the sentence (subject 'the right', verb 'shall'). The to keep and bear arms is asserted as an essential for maintaining a militia.

"In reply to your numbered questions:

[Schulman:] "(1) Can the sentence be interpreted to grant the right to keep and bear arms solely to 'a well-regulated militia'?"

[Copperud:] "(1) The sentence does not restrict the right to keep and bear arms, nor does it state or imply possession of the right elsewhere or by others than the people; it simply makes a positive statement with respect to a right of the people."

[Schulman:] "(2) Is 'the right of the people to keep and bear arms' granted by the words of the Second Amendment, or does the Second Amendment assume a preexisting right of the people to keep and bear arms, and merely state that such right 'shall not be infringed'?"

[Copperud:] "(2) The right is not granted by the amendment; its existence is assumed. The thrust of the sentence is that the right shall be preserved inviolate for the sake of ensuring a militia."

[Schulman:] "(3) Is the right of the people to keep and bear arms conditioned upon whether or not a well regulated militia, is, in fact necessary to the security of a free State, and if that condition is not existing, is the statement 'the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed' null and void?"

[Copperud:] "(3) No such condition is expressed or implied. The right to keep and bear arms is not said by the amendment to depend on the existence of a militia. No condition is stated or implied as to the relation of the right to keep and bear arms and to the necessity of a well-regulated militia as a requisite to the security of a free state. The right to keep and bear arms is deemed unconditional by the entire sentence."

[Schulman:] "(4) Does the clause 'A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,' grant a right to the government to place conditions on the 'right of the people to keep and bear arms,' or is such right deemed unconditional by the meaning of the entire sentence?"

[Copperud:] "(4) The right is assumed to exist and to be unconditional, as previously stated. It is invoked here specifically for the sake of the militia."

[Schulman:] "(5) Which of the following does the phrase 'well-regulated militia' mean: 'well-equipped', 'well-organized,' 'well-drilled,' 'well-educated,' or 'subject to regulations of a superior authority'?" [Copperud:] "(5) The phrase means 'subject to regulations of a superior authority;' this accords with the desire of the writers for civilian control over the military."

[Schulman:] "(6) (If at all possible, I would ask you to take account the changed meanings of words, or usage, since that sentence was written 200 years ago, but not take into account historical interpretations of the intents of the authors, unless those issues can be clearly separated."

[Copperud:] "To the best of my knowledge, there has been no change in the meaning of words or in usage that would affect the meaning of the amendment. If it were written today, it might be put: "Since a well-regulated militia is necessary tot he security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged.'

[Schulman:] "As a 'scientific control' on this analysis, I would also appreciate it if you could compare your analysis of the text of the Second Amendment to the following sentence,

"A well-schooled electorate, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed.'

"My questions for the usage analysis of this sentence would be,

"(1) Is the grammatical structure and usage of this sentence and the way the words modify each other, identical to the Second Amendment's sentence?; and

"(2) Could this sentence be interpreted to restrict 'the right of the people to keep and read Books' _only_ to 'a well-educated electorate' -- for example, registered voters with a high-school diploma?"

[Copperud:] "(1) Your 'scientific control' sentence precisely parallels the amendment in grammatical structure.

"(2) There is nothing in your sentence that either indicates or implies the possibility of a restricted interpretation."

Professor Copperud had only one additional comment, which he placed in his cover letter: "With well-known human curiosity, I made some speculative efforts to decide how the material might be used, but was unable to reach any conclusion."

So now we have been told by one of the top experts on American usage what many knew all along: the Constitution of the United States unconditionally protects the people's right to keep and bear arms, forbidding all governments formed under the Constitution from abridging that right.

As I write this, the attempted coup against constitutional government in the Soviet Union has failed, apparently because the will of the people in that part of the world to be free from capricious tyranny is stronger than the old guard's desire to maintain a monopoly on dictatorial power.

And here in the United States, elected lawmakers, judges, and appointed officials who are pledged to defend the Constitution of the United States ignore, marginalize, or prevaricate about the Second Amendment routinely. American citizens are put in American prisons for carrying arms, owning arms of forbidden sorts, or failing to satisfy bureaucratic requirements regarding the owning and carrying of firearms -- all of which is an abridgement of the unconditional right of the people to keep and bear arms, guaranteed by the Constitution.

And even the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), staunch defender of the rest of the Bill of Rights, stands by and does nothing.

it seems it is up to those who believe in the right to keep and bear arms to preserve that right. no one else will. No one else can. Will we beg our elected representatives not to take away our rights, and continue regarding them as representing us if they do? Will we continue obeying judges who decide that the Second Amendment doesn't mean what it says it means but means whatever they say it means in their Orwellian doublespeak ?

Or will be simply keep and bear the arms of our choice, as the Constitution of the United States promises us we can, and pledge that we will defend that promise with our lives, our fortuned, and our sacred honor ?

(C) 1991 by The New Gun Week and Second Amendment Foundation. Informational reproduction of the entire article is hereby authorized provided the author, The New Gun Week and Second Amendment Foundation are credited. All other rights reserved.

About the Author

J. Neil Schulman is the award-winning author of novels endorsed by Anthony Burgess and Nobel-economist Milton Friedman, and writer of the CBS "Twilight Zone" episode in which a time-traveling historian prevents the JFK assassination. He's also the founder and president of SoftServ Publishing, the first publishing company to distribute "paperless books" via personal computers and modems.

Most recently, Schulman has founded the Committee to Enforce the Second Amendment (CESA), through which he intends to see the individual's right to keep and bear arms recognized as a constitutional protection equal to those afforded in the First, Fourth, Fifth, Ninth and Fourteenth amendments.

56 posted on 10/18/2007 8:04:16 AM PDT by groanup
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To: robertpaulsen
"Illegals (who cannot vote) bear children in this country. You're saying they have a connection to this country? You're saying their children ensure a future for this country?"

You're taking this in a tangent which is false due to the fact that illegal aliens bearing children on American soil are not citizens. The fact that their children are is a liberal (and wrong) interpretation of the 14th amendment, and yes, such children are indeed a threat to this nation. As much a threat as the politicians and activist liberal judges who have so "perverted the plain meaning of words", as Samuel Adams put it.

I find this sort of discussion rather fun -- legally defining terms like "people", "citizen" and the like are truly a worthy mental exercise, in addition to being matters of such importance. I'm at work right now, so I'll check in again later.

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57 posted on 10/18/2007 8:07:11 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Dr.Syn
"Let's face it, a militia is not a standing army and can be a group of neighbors banding together and organizing for the purpose of neighborhood or local defense from foreign or domestic."

True. That is a militia. But the second amendment refers to a "well regulated state Militia" and the U.S. Constitution says that officers are to be appointed by the state.

Your militia would, therefore, not enjoy second amendment protection.

58 posted on 10/18/2007 8:07:47 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: groanup

The commas. Don’t forget the commas!


59 posted on 10/18/2007 8:09:09 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
But the second amendment refers to a "well regulated state Militia" and the U.S. Constitution says that officers are to be appointed by the state.

Please read the Amendment. It does not read "state Militia".

It only reads "a well regulated Militia" and my neighbors and I are quite capable of being "well regulated" without the state.

60 posted on 10/18/2007 8:14:16 AM PDT by Dr.Syn
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