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Andrew Bacevich Jr. Killed in Iraq ~ Son of Prominent War Critic Dies By Suicide Bomber....
Iraqslogger ^ | 05/14/2007 9:30 PM ET | staff

Posted on 05/16/2007 9:18:38 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

A renowned professor and prominent critic of the Bush Administration's invasion of Iraq has now lost his son to the war. Lt. Andrew Bacevich, Jr. was killed by a suicide bomber on Sunday.

A local Boston station reports that the younger Bacevich's captain said in an e-mail to the family that he was killed by a suicide bomber in a white sedan his unit had stopped on a main highway south of Samarra.

The DoD's official release of the incident reported on Monday that, "1st Lt. Andrew J. Bacevich, 27, of Walpole, Mass., died May 13 in Balad, Iraq, of wounds suffered when an improvised explosive device detonated near his unit during combat patrol operations in Salah Ad Din Province, Iraq."

Andrew Bacevich, professor of International Relations at Boston University, has a long list of publications supporting his self-label of conservative, but he became disillusioned by what he viewed as an overreliance on military power driving foreign policy choices by "conservative" neocons of the Bush Administration.

In a conversation discussing his latest book, The New American Militarism: How Americans are Seduced by War, Bacevich responded to a question asking if the neocons "believed too deeply in the hype of American hyperpower?," with the interviewer clarifying, "Ruling groups, even while manipulating others, often seem to almost hypnotically convince themselves as well."

Bacevich responded:

That's why I myself tend not to buy into the charge that Bush and others blatantly lied us into this war. I think they believed most of what they claimed.

(Excerpt) Read more at iraqslogger.com ...


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To: Dr. Scarpetta; leadpenny

“He resembled his father so closely that, when you saw him, you immediately thought of Andy Sr.,” Keylor said. “His father and mother absolutely adored him.”

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/05/15/son_of_professor_opposed_to_war_is_killed_in_iraq/?page=2


41 posted on 05/16/2007 11:36:28 AM PDT by gate2wire (Street Sense)
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To: leadpenny

“When interviewed by the Globe recently, Professor Bacevich had requested that his son’s service in Iraq not be mentioned — both to limit unwanted attention on his son and to separate the father’s professional opinion from the heavy personal stakes.

Behind that request, however, “I always had the impression that he was terribly proud of his son and the service he was providing,” Keylor said.”

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/05/15/son_of_professor_opposed_to_war_is_killed_in_iraq/?page=2


42 posted on 05/16/2007 11:38:25 AM PDT by gate2wire (Street Sense)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“Prominent”? Uh, sure.


43 posted on 05/16/2007 11:39:30 AM PDT by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: leadpenny
Are you saying Colonel Bacevich is a traitor?

I am saying that military service doesn't free one's statements or actions from critical review.

44 posted on 05/16/2007 11:40:40 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Oh I could just reach out and hug this young person. He looks so happy in that photo. How very sad knowing he is no longer here. His work on earth was finished and now he is resting in the arms of the Lord. We can only thank him for his service to his country and for putting himself out there to preserve our freedoms like so many before him. God bless you young fella. I will pray for your soul and for your family who are grieving with broken hearts. I am so sorry for everyone. God bless this hero and all of those who love him.


45 posted on 05/16/2007 11:42:15 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

And we had no idea how hard the left would stand up for despotism and how much they’d apologize for the Islamists.


46 posted on 05/16/2007 11:42:58 AM PDT by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: monday
I think we are slowly coming to the realization that Islamic societies basically require strict authoritarian rule. You have to systematically keep the power and influence of the Imams in check through the threat of military force.
47 posted on 05/16/2007 11:43:15 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: cubreporter
How very sad knowing he is no longer here. His work on earth was finished and now he is resting in the arms of the Lord. We can only thank him for his service to his country and for putting himself out there to preserve our freedoms like so many before him. God bless you young fella. I will pray for your soul and for your family who are grieving with broken hearts. I am so sorry for everyone. God bless this hero and all of those who love him.

I join you...

48 posted on 05/16/2007 11:45:25 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: wideawake

“military service doesn’t free one’s statements or actions from critical review.”

I don’t know anyone who is saying it does, but to bring Benedict Arnold into the review is close to the line.


49 posted on 05/16/2007 11:50:34 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: wideawake

“military service doesn’t free one’s statements or actions from critical review.”

I don’t know anyone who is saying it does, but to bring Benedict Arnold into the review is close to the line.


50 posted on 05/16/2007 11:50:43 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
but to bring Benedict Arnold into the review is close to the line

He is the limit case, is he not?

51 posted on 05/16/2007 11:51:31 AM PDT by wideawake
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sorry for the x2 posts. Damn dial-up.


52 posted on 05/16/2007 11:51:46 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: The Old Hoosier

What the neocoms believed might occur after the overthrow of Saddam is really beside the point. Overthrow of his government had been US policy since 1998, which is the reason why the Clintons et al came so willingly on board. Saddam had been kept in power because the Sunni Arabs wanted him to stay in power, but he refused to stay in his place and had spent 9 years fighting against the restraints put upon him. Four reasons for the failure in Iraq: (1) the Sunni Arabs were unwilling to let a Shia-dominated government stand up in Iraq, one that might lean toward Iran, but one that definitely would have reduced the Sunni Arab influence to almost zero—they the “natural” rulers of the land. So from the beginning they sent money and men into the fray to keep the fight going, with Baathists and Al Qaesa alike serving as surrogates for the Arab governments. (2) the unwillingness of the US to stand up a government from among the exiles and support it from Day-one. In 1944 the Allies had DeGaulle in their saddle-bags when they invaded France and did many times more physical damage to France than we did to Iraq. (3) We had lost the trust of the Shia when we abandoned them in 1991. (4) The electoral system we imposed on the country basically meant a government by cliques and par ties rather than by real constituencies. The Sunni politicans represent almost no one. Worst it in effect divided the country by sect and ethnic group. We would have been better off dividing the country the way the Turks did: three slices centering on the major city of south, central and North.


53 posted on 05/16/2007 11:57:06 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: wideawake

I feel like I should ask you again if you believe Colonel Bacevich is a traitor.

In a free society I place the “traitor” bar high. I’m sure you don’t want to put Col Bacevich in a league with Ames, Arnold and Hanssen. If you do, there’s not much of the Constitution left to defend. Free Speech above all else.


54 posted on 05/16/2007 11:58:21 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: gate2wire

Good Lord, some of this reads like the crap they have said about Jerry Falwell.


55 posted on 05/16/2007 11:58:45 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: wideawake

And no, he was not a limit case. Arnold was a traitor.


56 posted on 05/16/2007 12:01:01 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: gate2wire; All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1833758/posts

Thread from yesterday. There was a side bar article here:

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=1001417

Romney recalls former aide killed by IED in Iraq
By Associated Press
Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - Updated: 04:44 PM EST


57 posted on 05/16/2007 12:07:29 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny

What are you talking about? The old man’s criticising the war. I’ve had enough of that crap.


58 posted on 05/16/2007 12:13:23 PM PDT by chopperman
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To: leadpenny
(1) By "limit case" I meant that Arnold was the best soldier ever to have done anything so horrible - in other words, it would be hard to imagine a worse scenario.

(2) I think Bacevich is carrying water for traitors by making the "Bush lied" style of rhetoric more palatable to non-moonbats.

I am sure he honestly believes he is doing the country a service. But he isn't.

59 posted on 05/16/2007 12:13:24 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

May the spirit of God give the family of this fine young man peace over the sacrifice of their beloved son, who is now in the arms of our heavenly Father.

The time may seem long to those left behind before they are rejoined with their loved ones now in eternity, but for this brave young man, it will have only been a blink of an eye.

“And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. (Revelation 21:4)”


60 posted on 05/16/2007 12:15:33 PM PDT by Search4Truth (Hosea 4:6 warns, My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:...)
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