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Andrew Bacevich Jr. Killed in Iraq ~ Son of Prominent War Critic Dies By Suicide Bomber....
Iraqslogger ^ | 05/14/2007 9:30 PM ET | staff

Posted on 05/16/2007 9:18:38 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

A renowned professor and prominent critic of the Bush Administration's invasion of Iraq has now lost his son to the war. Lt. Andrew Bacevich, Jr. was killed by a suicide bomber on Sunday.

A local Boston station reports that the younger Bacevich's captain said in an e-mail to the family that he was killed by a suicide bomber in a white sedan his unit had stopped on a main highway south of Samarra.

The DoD's official release of the incident reported on Monday that, "1st Lt. Andrew J. Bacevich, 27, of Walpole, Mass., died May 13 in Balad, Iraq, of wounds suffered when an improvised explosive device detonated near his unit during combat patrol operations in Salah Ad Din Province, Iraq."

Andrew Bacevich, professor of International Relations at Boston University, has a long list of publications supporting his self-label of conservative, but he became disillusioned by what he viewed as an overreliance on military power driving foreign policy choices by "conservative" neocons of the Bush Administration.

In a conversation discussing his latest book, The New American Militarism: How Americans are Seduced by War, Bacevich responded to a question asking if the neocons "believed too deeply in the hype of American hyperpower?," with the interviewer clarifying, "Ruling groups, even while manipulating others, often seem to almost hypnotically convince themselves as well."

Bacevich responded:

That's why I myself tend not to buy into the charge that Bush and others blatantly lied us into this war. I think they believed most of what they claimed.

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To: TUAN_JIM
So anyone who questions the Bush administration's decision to go to Iraq is a traitor?

They have a treasonous attitude.

Having a treasonous attitude doesn't mean they have actually committed specific acts of treason - just as a husband who fantasizes about cheating on his wife may not actually engage in an adulterous liaison.

Their hands may be clean, but their hearts aren't.

121 posted on 05/17/2007 3:57:00 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
You are a real douche.

It's not surprising that you lack counterarguments as well as class.

122 posted on 05/17/2007 4:07:00 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

A counterargument to your absurd comparison to Benedict Arnold? Calling you a douche is much more accurate and classy than calling that man a traitor for having a different opinion on how to proceed. Go away loser.


123 posted on 05/17/2007 4:48:27 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: wideawake

On several different counts Mr. Bacevich has earned the right to believe what he wants. Of course, in a free country he doesn’t even need to earn it, but he has. I’m willing to bet that he has given more of his life to serving this country than you. So, please STFU.


124 posted on 05/17/2007 4:51:10 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

May his smile live on in the hearts of all good people.


125 posted on 05/17/2007 4:51:22 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
May his smile live on in the hearts of all good people.

and what a smile it was....

126 posted on 05/17/2007 5:00:58 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
A counterargument to your absurd comparison to Benedict Arnold?

The poster I was responding to intimated that a person's opinions are automatically beyond reproach as long as they have served in the military.

A reference to Benedict Arnold is sufficient to prove the hollowness of that position.

Calling you a douche is much more accurate and classy than calling that man a traitor for having a different opinion on how to proceed.

Calling me that was indeed classless, as is your putting words in my mouth.

Go away loser.

Oh yes, your majesty. Right away.

127 posted on 05/17/2007 5:23:18 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
On several different counts Mr. Bacevich has earned the right to believe what he wants. Of course, in a free country he doesn’t even need to earn it,

He is, of course, entitled to his absurdly defeatist opinions no matter what he has or hasn't done.

No one disputes that.

You seem to equate the censuring of his opinions with censoring them.

I’m willing to bet that he has given more of his life to serving this country than you. So, please STFU.

Of course, your highness. Immediately.

128 posted on 05/17/2007 5:27:22 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

“The poster I was responding to intimated that a person’s opinions are automatically beyond reproach as long as they have served in the military.”

I did no such thing. You may have inferred that. I did not imply that.
You wrote “God definitely chose the better Bacevich for himself.” I merely pointed out that the Colonel was a soldier. You made up the rest in your own mind.


129 posted on 05/17/2007 5:45:14 AM PDT by gate2wire (Street Sense)
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To: gate2wire
You made up the rest in your own mind.

Then I apologize for my misinterpretation of your post. Thank you for your great courtesy.

130 posted on 05/17/2007 5:50:49 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

“Thank you for your great courtesy.”

You’re right, that was unnecessary. Please accept my apology.


131 posted on 05/17/2007 5:53:54 AM PDT by gate2wire (Street Sense)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
It is conceivable that the Administration deluded themselves into thinking that democracy could be planted in Iraq, and thus lead us into a quagmire. This is certainly a better, more intelligent argument than "BUSH LIED!".

This is why, even with 60-70 percent of Americans wanting out of Iraq, the anti-war kooks will never have a real following. They can't stop shouting long enough for anyone to understand their point.

It was an honest assertion that the Iraqi people wanted to be free and most Iraqis would fight for that freedom. It is disingenuous to claim that this was a delusion from the start.

It's possible to have honest delusions.

132 posted on 05/17/2007 5:54:57 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might)
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To: humint
I do not envy him because he does not believe in this war. People who do not believe in anything will always live in fear of the people who do.

So anyone who doesn't agree with you doesn't believe in anything? Anyone not willing to commit to this war for the next decade is a chicken and a traitor?

This thing is nearly done, thank goodness. Bush will be remembered with Woodrow Wilson, and Rumsfeld with McNamara.

133 posted on 05/17/2007 6:04:39 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might)
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To: wideawake
Their hands may be clean, but their hearts aren't.

Did you feel the same way about anyone who questioned our need to be in Kosovo?

134 posted on 05/17/2007 6:08:06 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: avacado

Oh, that’s a good argument for the war — Clintoon supported it. /sarcasm.


135 posted on 05/17/2007 6:11:18 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might)
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To: JeffAtlanta
Did you feel the same way about anyone who questioned our need to be in Kosovo?

To my knowledge we never deployed any ground units in Kosovo.

Did I miss something?

136 posted on 05/17/2007 6:15:20 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: JeffAtlanta

Oh, and just to be clear, I think taking down Milosevic’s infrastructure was the right thing to do.


137 posted on 05/17/2007 6:16:19 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: gate2wire
Please accept my apology.

Accepted before it was offered. I got way ahead of myself first.

138 posted on 05/17/2007 6:17:18 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
To my knowledge we never deployed any ground units in Kosovo.

So it is only treasonous for a person to question the wiseness of a military action if there are ground troops involved? Great mental gymnastics there.

139 posted on 05/17/2007 6:24:29 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: The Old Hoosier
I was really trying to point out that the overthrow of the Hussein regime and the establishment of a democratic form of government in Iraq has been U.S. policy and U.S. law since 1998.

Journalists act like Bush invented the idea when in fact it has been U.S. law and policy since 1998.

140 posted on 05/17/2007 6:36:00 AM PDT by avacado
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