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1 posted on 03/31/2007 3:57:01 PM PDT by narses
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Pray for our Brothers in the Baptist confession as they deal with this issue.

2 posted on 03/31/2007 3:57:43 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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Yet this statement also demonstrates why it will be hard for freewheeling and autonomous Protestant congregations to attack clergy sexual abuse.

100%, 180 degrees wrong. Unlike more hierarchical churches, there's no bureacracy to go through when removing a pastor in a southern baptist church. The pastor at a baptist church can be removed by vote of the congregation, and no one can tell the congregation otherwise. No interference from the Vatican, nothing of that sort. Less bureaucracy, less politics.
4 posted on 03/31/2007 4:05:56 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Eph 6:12)
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Northern Baptist Theological Seminary is not a Southern Baptist Seminary. I question many of the so called facts as not being ture.


5 posted on 03/31/2007 4:06:12 PM PDT by ThomasThomas ( I did use spell check?)
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As a Catholic, it's not for me to say. But frankly, the hierarchical structure of the Catholic Church didn't help very much, because the bishops did not handle the crisis very well.

What perhaps did the most good was simply getting the problem out in the open and airing it. That was destructive, especially since it was largely done by the Church's enemies in the press. But it did certainly force people to recognize the problem for what it was, and for the most part bishops could no longer play cover up.

The other factor, not much discussed, was the fact that the worse abuses took place during the 1970s, when the whole country was running amok and the Church was filled with activist dissidents. There have been far fewer cases of abuse in recent times.

That's about all I can say. Sexual abuse by pastors is clearly contrary to their Christian mission. Bring it out in the open and I believe the problem will solve itself, no doubt sometimes in messy and unpleasant ways. But it will be solved, and it needs to be solved for the good of souls.

It will not be solved completely, of course. Human institutions are human institutions, and will always have some bad apples. But I think they can usually be recognized for what they are, once they are exposed to publicity.


6 posted on 03/31/2007 4:09:58 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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This thread is pathetic. Baptists and Catholics squabbling over who has less pedo ministers? What a wonderful testimony to the Christian faith.


18 posted on 03/31/2007 8:41:08 PM PDT by marsh_of_mists
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So, narses, being Catholic, this must have you feeling on top of the world. I suppose this is supposed OKAY hmoseuxal priests and nuns from centuries of molestation.

Why am I not suprised that a Catholic would gleefully post this - even if it's NOT TRUE?

Being vindictive, narses, doesn't make two wrongs right - IF any of this is true of Baptists nor does it speak well of you - your INTENT is VERY CLEAR about NON Catholics.


27 posted on 04/01/2007 10:47:18 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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Where does the Baptist buck stop? Southern Baptists acknowledge abuse among churches
http://www.leaderu.com/theology/southernbapt.html ^ | 7/14/2002 | Terry Mattingly

Must be alittle bored ... need to stir the ole pot?

The date is

7/14/2002


It's not 2007. As A Catholic, you must consider this some kind of a spiritual trophy, if true - YEARS AGO. It reminds me of serial rapists who keep something - underwear, bras or other clothing of the victim they've raped. Perhaps this article is a trophy of sorts for the non Catholics you despise.

Either way, all you exhibit by posting an article from 2002, is how UN Christ like you are. Honestly posting a FIVE year old article slamming Protestants isn't becoming to even you, as a non Christian. It's CLEAR what your ugly agenda is. Perhaps someday you will see the light and become a Christian.

28 posted on 04/01/2007 10:54:24 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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Where does the Baptist buck stop? Southern Baptists acknowledge abuse among churches
http://www.leaderu.com/theology/southernbapt.html ^ | 7/14/2002 | Terry Mattingly

And YOU post this on: Posted on 03/31/2007 3:57:00 PM PDT by narses Must be alittle bored ... need to stir the ole pot?

The date is

7/14/2002


It's not 2007. As A Catholic, you must consider this some kind of a spiritual trophy, if true - YEARS AGO. It reminds me of serial rapists who keep something - underwear, bras or other clothing of the victim they've raped. Perhaps this article is a trophy of sorts for the non Catholics you despise.

Either way, all you exhibit by posting an article from 2002, is how UN Christ like you are. Honestly posting a FIVE year old article slamming Protestants isn't becoming to even you, as a non Christian. It's CLEAR what your ugly agenda is. Perhaps someday you will see the light and become a Christian.

29 posted on 04/01/2007 10:55:05 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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Where does the buck stop, when sexual abuse hits Protestant pulpits? The Southern Baptist resolution calls on local churches to discipline sex offenders. Yet the most powerful person in modern Protestantism is a successful pastor whose preaching and people skills keep packing people into the pews. Can his own church board truly investigate and discipline that pastor?

Yes, they can. Unfortunately, I've seen it happen in a protestant church...and they were able to investigate and deal with it.

Bigger hierarchies aren't more efficient...see the catholic church for plentiful examples of that where offenders were simply reassigned to other locations where they continued to offend.

31 posted on 04/01/2007 11:00:36 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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