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To: OrioleFan
His primary goal was to influence the congressional elections in favor of Democrats who would force an early termination and recognition of Southern independence

Shame it didn't happen...a destroyed South, 600,000 dead Americans and 1 dead Constitution...all to force 11 southern states to submit to rule from Washington...real role model that Lincoln was...for other dictatorial consolidators of power and enemies of federalism...Bismarck...Lenin...and Hitler...that is why the MSM and the leftist public schools celebrate Lincoln

The individual states of the American Union could not have possessed any state sovereignty of their own. For it was not these states that formed the Union, on the contrary it was the Union which formed a great part of such so-called states. Certainly all the states in the world are moving toward a certain unification in their inner organization. And in this Germany will be no exception. Today it is an absurdity to speak of a ‘state sovereignty’ of individual provinces....In particular we cannot grant to any individual state within the nation and the state representing it state sovereignty and sovereignty in point of political power....National Socialism as a matter of principle, must lay claim to the right to force its principles on the whole German nation without consideration of previous federated state boundaries.
--Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf

11 posted on 02/25/2007 7:57:35 AM PST by Irontank (Let them revere nothing but religion, morality and liberty -- John Adams)
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To: Irontank
It was the Slave Empire that destroyed the South to protect their degenerate human bondgage based society.

And what you call "submission to Washington" was a much better prospect than submission to Richmond and Slavery Inc.

"We can never live in a Southern Confederacy, and be made hewers of wood and drawers of water for a set of aristocrats"— William Brownlow, Knoxville Whig

16 posted on 02/25/2007 8:11:20 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Irontank

It's apropos that you use Hitler's absurdities to validate your own.

Destroying American union would have destroyed much more than was lost in the Civil War. Lincoln's only goal was preservation of the union - the country itself. If you want to cast blame for those who died in the Civil War, blame the Confederates who started it.

"Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we may take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
- President Abraham Lincoln, Gettysburg address

http://www.fightthebias.com/Resources/Hist_Docs/Speeches/lincoln_getty.htm


50 posted on 02/25/2007 10:39:16 AM PST by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: Irontank
Shame it didn't happen...a destroyed South, 600,000 dead Americans and 1 dead Constitution...all to force 11 southern states to submit to rule from Washington...real role model that Lincoln was...for other dictatorial consolidators of power and enemies of federalism...Bismarck...Lenin...and Hitler...that is why the MSM and the leftist public schools celebrate Lincoln

LOL! There's simply no denying that slavery was the basic driver behind the Civil War. Controversy about slavery had been a threat to the Union since the Constitutional Convention. The Missouri Compromise, the Compromise of 1850, the Kansas-Nebraska act ... all were attempts to calm the controversy over slavery.

Secession was about slavery -- or, more properly, the fear that it would be abolished. As Mississippi's Declaration of Causes of Secession put it: "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery.... There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin." (Here are more declarations where slavery is put forth as a specific cause for secession.)

You can hoist your flag on wishing the South and its cause was just, but leave me out of it.

Of course, had the secession been allowed to occur, the war would have happened anyway....

248 posted on 03/02/2007 11:24:15 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Irontank
Smooth move, Ex-lax.

No way to discredit yourself like comparing Abe Lincoln to Hitler.

312 posted on 03/05/2007 6:01:01 AM PST by OKSooner
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