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Why don't you wait to hear what he has to say then. If none of these quotes (including the ones that you put up) are to your satisfaction and don't answer your question, why not wait until he is asked. Because you know that he will be asked!

He can say whatever he wants now that he's running for office and in campaign mode, but that won't cut it. His past views and statements have been posted repeatedly on nearly every thread that mentions Rudy Giuliani. You want to dismiss it as "spam" because you don't want anyone to see the truth about where Rudy actually stands on the issues.

I spent the time to compile his views on issues important to Republicans in a chart and you insist upon ignoring it or calling it "spam".

What you seem to be waiting for is some slick campaign propaganda packaged by political consultants on a multi-million dollar campaign contract to rehabilitate Giuliani by whitewashing his egregiously anti-Republican views, statements and policies as mayor. If you have to be spoonfed everything in that manner, why are you here on Free Republic. If everyone here did that, Dan Rather's fake memo about George W. Bush would still be accepted as gospel and John Kerry would have been elected. We look into the way people stand on issues, dissecting everything they've said and done, and we discuss it here. And when we're talking about a liberal, we use their past statements and votes to hammer them over the head - especially when they're displaying hypocracy. That is precisely what is going on with Giuliani here when some of us are exposing his liberal record and statements in these threads.

We know what he has to see. He's already said enough. He's a liberal.

>>>>>Why don't you wait to hear what he has to say then. If none of these quotes (including the ones that you put up) are to your satisfaction and don't answer your question, why not wait until he is asked. Because you know that he will be asked!

We've covered this before. Posting Rudy`s comments are a two way deal. His remarks on most issues have come back to haunt him. The SCOTUS issue is a prime example. What you want to do is give Rudy the benefit of the doubt, and give him every opportunity to recant his past public statements. Rudy has been a lifelong liberal. Before he was mayor, during the time he was mayor and during the last five years, Rudy has had ample chances to alter his liberal positions. That hasn't happened. And its too late now.

We use a politician's record to "predict" their suitability to a particular office in order that the candidate may help the party, the governed meet a particular objective (and most oft, 'tis done with fairly good accuracy).

If you want uncontested gun control in the US (of course in the name of fighting terrorism), Rudy's your man; if you want uncontrolled illegal entries into the US and taxpayer subsidies to get them on their feet, Rudy's your man; if you want federally subsidized abortion on demand irrespective of term, Rudy's your guy; if you want same-sex partnerships included within the marriage context and placed on an equal footing as the union of a man and woman, Rudy's your guy. Those issues were okay for NY because the New Yorker constituency embraced them. (I will refrain from labeling them "values") This is NATIONAL POLITICS of which we're deciding now.

If the Republican Party is so "progressive" it wishes to move away from its well known position of opposing those issues stated above, the Republican Party will lose Conservatives hands down and will deserve to fall on its arse. Those are NOT the publicly advertised objectives of the Republican Party and when they are embraced by the GOP, there will be a giant sucking sound coming out of national headquarters as Conservative voters leave. Those who'll push the party in that direction are guilty of perpetuating a perception of instability and indecisiveness within the GOP.

Granted, Rudy's record in NYC is nice - but that is a city - not a nation and not everyone is enamored with how New York operates and don't care to see Rudy's "style" of governing NY spread over the rest of the US. What he did for NY was befitting of NY. It should be left at that.

I will not supine to vote for Rudy. Period.