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Rudy Giuliani Throws Hat Into 2008 Presidential Ring
Post Chronicle ^ | 2/1/07

Posted on 02/01/2007 5:41:39 AM PST by areafiftyone

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To: Fierce Allegiance; melancholy; Admin Moderator

Why don't you make your accusation to a moderator.

If they think she's using two screennames, they'll take care of it.


621 posted on 02/01/2007 10:19:22 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: You Dirty Rats
Can you say 'broad appeal' I thought you could. And yes you can take that in a couple of different ways,LOL!
622 posted on 02/01/2007 10:19:31 AM PST by JimFreedom (Rudy may annoy you. Hillary will get you killed.- MadIvan)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Not necessarily. NJ voted for Reagan for one. It is true that it will not vote for a far right candidate but could vote for a moderate conservative.

I think Reagan won NJ both times. Was he a moderate conservative?

623 posted on 02/01/2007 10:21:21 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: Spiff; Reagan Man

Why don't you wait to hear what he has to say then. If none of these quotes (including the ones that you put up) are to your satisfaction and don't answer your question, why not wait until he is asked. Because you know that he will be asked!


624 posted on 02/01/2007 10:21:54 AM PST by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: jmc813
He avoided serving in the military.

Link?

625 posted on 02/01/2007 10:23:06 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: areafiftyone

California, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minn, Michigan, Penn all would be in play. Just making the RATS campaign seriously in those states would cause them enormous problems.


626 posted on 02/01/2007 10:23:09 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: MadIvan; Dead Corpse
I find it highly amusing that because of Giuliani's stance on guns, people are blithely willing to hand over the power to blow up the world to Hillary, who, if anything, would be more aggressive on guns, as well as other things.

Please don't take this as a personal slam, because I certainly don't mean it as such, but Americans have a drastically different attitude on the right to keep and bear arms than British folks do.

627 posted on 02/01/2007 10:23:50 AM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: You Dirty Rats
And that's my problem with the Rush Limbaugh attitude that conservatism per se is a winner. I believe strongly it's the best way politically, but that does not mean you can win every election with it.

I don't believe we will win in 2008 with a nominee like GWB or someone further right. The only way that would work is if we had a very popular conservative available. We don't. That's why all of the favorites are not conservatives, and NONE are from the South. (Gingrich isn't in yet, so that may change).

STOP! Too much common sense!

You are right, of course. What happened to the idea that conservatives were supposed to think first, feel second?

628 posted on 02/01/2007 10:24:53 AM PST by redgirlinabluestate
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To: JimFreedom
Can you say 'broad appeal' I thought you could. And yes you can take that in a couple of different ways,LOL!

I doubt many of Obama's current supporters know or care what his voting record is. If he gets the nomination and goes on to win the Presidency it won't be because the voters agree with his politics. We know for sure Massachusetts didn't get an attack of conservatism-love in November 1984 when they voted Republican.

629 posted on 02/01/2007 10:25:32 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: redgirlinabluestate

Well, of course that will all shake out in the primaries. I just hope people will put aside their differences and support whoever comes out on top. I don't like McCain, but even he would be preferable to a democrat!


630 posted on 02/01/2007 10:25:34 AM PST by bamabaseballmom
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To: You Dirty Rats

Conservatives are offering a curious explanation for the drubbing they took at the polls: they blame the Republicans. The 2006 elections were not a conservative defeat, you see; they were a Republican one, a rejection of a party that had strayed too far from the conservative path. John McCain put the point nicely: "Americans had elected us to change government, and they rejected us because they believed government had changed us."

The corollary is that McCain--along with many other, more reliable conservative spokesmen--believes that most Americans remain quietly conservative. But this latent center-right majority, he argues, needs reassuring that in 2008 the GOP will once again hew to true-blue (pardon the term) conservative principles.

In their hearts, he knows they're Right. Such a faith, though gratifying, is bound to be disappointed. If conservatism means being decent and patriotic, then of course, nearly all Americans are fuzzily conservative. But that doesn't tell you much about how they vote, which in recent years has been in roughly equal numbers for Democrats and Republicans. The notion that a steady conservative majority exists, waiting only to be activated by the right Republican appeal, thus makes for bad GOP strategy. It lures Republicans into thinking their job is easier than it is, by disguising the hard truth that victory still depends on persuading, not merely reminding, a crucial segment of the electorate to think conservative and vote Republican.





But the idea that conservatives long ago won the battle for public opinion, and that the GOP has only to collect on their victory, runs afoul of a deeper problem, which is that the definition of conservatism is more clearly up for grabs than at any time since the end of the Cold War. McCain recognizes this, inasmuch as his presidential candidacy depends on offering his own twist on the term.
After the fall of the Soviet Union, conservatism lost the urgent motivation provided by anti-Communism. Many predicted a crack-up, but what actually ensued was a series of flirtations with new, or at least newly assertive, right-wing elements. Upward floated the balloons of civil society conservatism (an anticipation of the compassionate conservatism to come), "third wave" conservatism (technology to the rescue), and national greatness conservatism (McCain was an early enthusiast). Some traveled farther than others, but each descended under the weight of its own limitations and the pressure of events.


http://www.opinionjournal.com/federation/feature/?id=110009600


631 posted on 02/01/2007 10:26:19 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: MadIvan
On abortion, he has supported Bush's judicial nominees, particularly those to the Supreme Court.

Rudy is a politician. Roberts and Alito were very popular nominations amongst Republicans. OF COURSE Rudy is going to say he supports them. He'd be politically retarded to do otherwise.

632 posted on 02/01/2007 10:26:22 AM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: Howlin; areafiftyone; Dark Skies
Another thread likely to hit a thousand replies. The RUDY threads are the center of gravity here right now on FR, it tells me all I need to know. When someone drops by they are going to go see whats happening on a thread with 600 replies not 60.

All the other candidate threads combined do not seem to get this kind of traffic. The 'antis' are always here, they should be drawing interest to the other candidates threads that they support, they appear to think this is more important them making positive threads about their candidates, then they say there all gonna bolt the party anyway, go figure.
633 posted on 02/01/2007 10:26:32 AM PST by JimFreedom (Rudy may annoy you. Hillary will get you killed.- MadIvan)
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To: areafiftyone; Reagan Man
Why don't you wait to hear what he has to say then. If none of these quotes (including the ones that you put up) are to your satisfaction and don't answer your question, why not wait until he is asked. Because you know that he will be asked!

He can say whatever he wants now that he's running for office and in campaign mode, but that won't cut it. His past views and statements have been posted repeatedly on nearly every thread that mentions Rudy Giuliani. You want to dismiss it as "spam" because you don't want anyone to see the truth about where Rudy actually stands on the issues.

I spent the time to compile his views on issues important to Republicans in a chart and you insist upon ignoring it or calling it "spam".

What you seem to be waiting for is some slick campaign propaganda packaged by political consultants on a multi-million dollar campaign contract to rehabilitate Giuliani by whitewashing his egregiously anti-Republican views, statements and policies as mayor. If you have to be spoonfed everything in that manner, why are you here on Free Republic. If everyone here did that, Dan Rather's fake memo about George W. Bush would still be accepted as gospel and John Kerry would have been elected. We look into the way people stand on issues, dissecting everything they've said and done, and we discuss it here. And when we're talking about a liberal, we use their past statements and votes to hammer them over the head - especially when they're displaying hypocracy. That is precisely what is going on with Giuliani here when some of us are exposing his liberal record and statements in these threads.

We know what he has to see. He's already said enough. He's a liberal.

634 posted on 02/01/2007 10:26:46 AM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: bamabaseballmom
I don't like McCain, but even he would be preferable to a democrat!

Barely. I really worry about that guy as C-in-C with his hand on the nuclear football.

635 posted on 02/01/2007 10:27:10 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: bamabaseballmom
just hope people will put aside their differences and support whoever comes out on top

As you said up the thread, real Republicans and conservatives will.

636 posted on 02/01/2007 10:28:02 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: You Dirty Rats

Boy he's mister Happy, NOT!


637 posted on 02/01/2007 10:28:42 AM PST by JimFreedom (Rudy may annoy you. Hillary will get you killed.- MadIvan)
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To: Howlin
The Religious Right isn't the ONLY wing of the GOP, you know?

I'm a libertarian and I and most of the other libertarians here on FR will not vote for Rudy. I wish y'all would realize that a guy who turns off so many facets of the party is a very bad choice for our nominee. We need someone we can all rally around.

638 posted on 02/01/2007 10:28:45 AM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: You Dirty Rats
Barely. I really worry about that guy as C-in-C with his hand on the nuclear football.

I think that is something that EVERYONE here on FR can agree on. Absolutely, under no circumstances, do we want McCain to win the nomination or the White House. Can you even imagine...

639 posted on 02/01/2007 10:29:03 AM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: jmc813
I wish y'all would realize that a guy who turns off so many facets of the party is a very bad choice for our nominee.

So how do you explain him being the frontrunner in the polls?

640 posted on 02/01/2007 10:30:09 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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