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To: CottShop
The proper venue for debating scientific issues is at science conferences and in peer-reviewed journals. In such a venue the claims can be checked by anyone at their leisure. Creationists, with very rare exceptions, are unwilling to debate there.

You will perhaps claim that creationist articles are "censored" from peer-reviewed journals. This is not the case. Creationist papers are not published because creationists do not try to get them published. This is because science is not very important to them. The priorities of creationism are politics and religious evangelism. In a survey of editors of sixty-eight journals only eighteen (18) of an estimated one hundred and thirty five thousand (135 000) submissions were found that could be described as advocating creationism. (Quarterly Review of Biology 60:21-30)

In the McLean vs Arkansas Board of Education creationism trial, creationists were when asked, unable to present any examples of creationist articles which had been refused publication in a scientific journal.
419 posted on 01/16/2007 10:39:10 PM PST by 49th (This space for rent.)
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To: 49th

that's a bunch of compolete bull and you know it- and as for the 'creationism articles' Creation scientists don't present 'creationism articles' they present scientific fact which conveniently get ignored due to the affiliation of their faith and the ostracisation of anyone that doesn't toe the evolution line and that is fact- Many former secular scientists have been ostracised when they have started to suggest that there might be other explanations and you know it. to claim otherwise is a willful ignorance of the situation.

As well,the articles presented don't 'advocate creationism' they advocate science so yes, it's not surprising that only 18 were found to advocate creationism.

As stated, your attempt to villify the factual science of Christians is dishonest and disingenuous. Creationists WELCOME debate because the facts are on their side- what a load of rubbish.


421 posted on 01/16/2007 10:55:15 PM PST by CottShop
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To: 49th

afraid of peer review eh? Funny- several Christian science sites put out peer reviewed magazines- odd- you mentioned something about htem being afraid of having their work examined and scrutinized? And you might better check into the forum review assertion of yours as well- Christian scientists are constantly presenting hteir evidences and holding them up to scrutiny in peer review forums and gatherings.

http://www.trueorigin.org/links.asp

http://nwcreation.net/journalcreation.html

And this refutation of your rediculous assertions:

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:zryjAtBJFeoJ:www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php%3Fcommand%3Dview%26id%3D2640+creation+science+in+peer+review&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=6

Relgious propoganda? Hardly fella!


422 posted on 01/16/2007 11:05:21 PM PST by CottShop
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To: 49th
In the McLean vs Arkansas Board of Education creationism trial, creationists were when asked, unable to present any examples of creationist articles which had been refused publication in a scientific journal.

That is always the case. Creationists make their claims and want people to disprove it, rather than take the time to try to prove it. That is usually the litmus test between serious science and belief based "science". Creationists don't submit their "research", its like trying to submit a velvet Elvis painting to the Louvre. Ask CottShop to back up his claim that Darwin refuted all his findings before he died, he won't. Doesn't stop him from making the claim, however, when asked to back it up, he won't.

428 posted on 01/17/2007 6:17:11 AM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Never Let a Theocon Near a Textbook. Teach Evolution!)
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