Posted on 12/16/2006 11:22:33 AM PST by Blackirish
Well. If I believed your mischaracterizations of everything I've said, I'd think so too.
But, in fact, none of your incessant mischaracterizations of what I think or what I've said bears any resemblence to reality.
Do you think it is "right" to kill another human being, other than as punishment for a capital crime, during the prosecution of a just war, or in self-defense?
Do you think it's "right" to steal?
Do you think it is "right" to lie?
Do you think it is right to teach people's children things which violate their parent's moral code?
If you want to correct your statements. Go ahead. But do not try and say that the words you have chosen to use - the words that I have quoted - do not say that non-Christians do NOT have the *right* to do what you believe is wrong.
You show yourself to be an extremist with your position and a dangerous one at that.
Do you think homosexuals have a right to be loved and respected by the community?
It is illegal to steal. People are free to sin to their heart's content - as long as they don't break the law.
People have the *right* to lie - except under oath etc.
People have the *right* to do things that you believe are wrong - as long as they are legal.
Homosexuals have the same *rights* as anyone else.
Then why do you want to give them special rights that are based solely on their bedroom activities?
I don't see how you can claim to love this country and at the same time - try to deny people you disagree with their full human rights.
They can say whatever they want. But you can't force me to agree with what I know to be wrong.
Nobody's denying them their human rights. Your hyperbole is laughable.
You can't say that you don't want homosexuals in the public square and also say that you aren't trying to deny them their human rights. What's neat is that the homosexuals ARE in the public square. You have failed to deny them their rights.
Are you aware of how many truly bible-based evangelical Christian churches have programs to work with single mothers? They don't change their belief and message that following a biblical lifestyle is always the best way to go, but they also are working to make the best of imperfect situations. They don't shout down and humiliate these pregnant girls and moms, instead they aid them and show Christ through how they treat them. Ministers, ministries, and missionaries all evangelize by working WITH sinners, not pounding them down in some sinner caste system. That doesn't mean rolling over and endorsing gay marriage or cohabitation or drug use or any other sin. But Jesus dined with the tax collector, worked with the unclean, and ministered to the lost. Kindness is an attitude, not a policy endorsement.
56 posted on 12/16/2006 3:23:18 PM EST by Diddle E. Squat
You should take heed of his words. You have deviated from the path of Christ's teachings...You heart seems full of hate. You can not do Christian work, or indeed, any good work when you are so filled with bitterness and intolerance. You poison the fruit of the tree life with your hatred.
Yet no one in the natural law tradition believed that these laws abrogated divine revelation. Remember that while the Founders were believers in natural law, they did not believe that the law should contradict divine revelation, a position held by Aquinas and the Protestant legal theorists of the 17th and 18th Centuries. With relation to sodomy, the act was illegal in all states until 1962. Even Jefferson, who was among the least Christian of the Founders, supported the criminalization of sodomy in the post-independence laws of Virginia. Divorce was difficult to obtain before the early 20th Century, abortion was illegal, and pornography was generally outlawed.
To say that supporting laws limiting sexual license is the equivalent of Sharia law is equating the natural law philosophers of the West, such as Aquinas, Grotius, and Locke, with Muhammad ibn Abd al Wahhab, the totalitarian founder of the Wahhabi sect of Islam. By that standard, America prior to 1960 was under a Christian equivalent of sharia law. The fifty states were theocracies like Iran since the fall of the Shah or Saudi Arabia under the Wahhabists.
Are you stating that Christ taught that homosexuality, or indeed any sex outside the confines of marriage, is a morally neutral or a moral act? Please demonstrate where such a statement is found in Scripture. Additionally, please show where in the Bible Jesus, Paul, or any apostle stated that the moral law in the Old Testament was no longer a valid standard to measure behavior. Can you find statements from the writings of the fathers of the church, the medieval doctors, or the Protestant reformers that support either of these positions? Also, do you deny that Christ was not angry with the Pharisees and the money changers in the Temple? Do you doubt He said that He had not come to bring peace, but a sword, and that His teachings would divide families and friends? If you have objective evidence to support that these Scriptural quotes are false, please present it. If you are so claryoyant to detect hearts full of hate, surely you can find Scriptural, historical, and factual evidence to support your position.
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