Posted on 12/16/2006 11:22:33 AM PST by Blackirish
Here ya go:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1751204/posts
Gay Liberation Manifesto (1972)
And a more recent offering:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1751202/posts
Position Paper: The Right's Attack on Sex
The above articles illustrate exactly why I am opposed to the "gay" agenda and the "normalize sexual immorality" movement.
No...it is illegal. I think I understand your confusion a little better though. Do you derive all that you consider to be your conservative principals from the Bible alone. I have trouble understanding you brand of conservatism. Everything you promote flys in the face of what most Conservative writers over the past 500 years or more have written. For instance, what do you think of A Letter Concerning Toleration, written by John Locke. Or On Liberty written by John Stuart Mill? Do any of these writers influnce your conservatism at all?
I'll read them tomorrow.
Do you think the conservative thinkers you mention would advocate libertinism and "gay" rights?
BTW, I am Hindu. Basic moral principles are universal in every religion, and are the basis for all law (laws which are not capricious, overweening, barbaric, or otherwise unconstitutional. Which, unfortunately, many laws are today.)
And I like this statement of Thomas Jefferson's:
"Reading, reflection and time have convinced me that the interests
of society require the observation of those moral precepts ... in
which all religions agree." --Thomas Jefferson
And this one:
"To grant that there is a supreme intelligence who rules the
world and has established laws to regulate the actions of his
creatures; and still to assert that man, in a state of nature,
may be considered as perfectly free from all restraints of law
and government, appears to a common understanding altogether
irreconcilable. Good and wise men, in all ages, have embraced
a very dissimilar theory. They have supposed that the deity,
from the relations we stand in to himself and to each other, has
constituted an eternal and immutable law, which is indispensably
obligatory upon all mankind, prior to any human institution
whatever. This is what is called the law of nature....Upon this
law depend the natural rights of mankind."
-- Alexander Hamilton
That explains a little
A great man and it is true that conservatism has claimed him as one of its own. It must be noted, however, that of all the Founders he was most predisposed to the concept of Federalism, more so then them say Jefferson or Madison or John Adams. I think Jefferson and Madison were in the large majority that favored limited Federal power. And limited Federal power has been at the forefront of modern conservatism since Goldwater through Reagan.
But if you can see that the Civil Rights movement, one of the first of modern governments 'Acts of Congress' has devolved to the point that it posterchild to the reality that Federal intervention in special interest group ambitions cause more harm then good and are generally counterproductive in addressing the problem anyway. That goes for agenda driven homosexuals and pious agenda driven self righteous Christians equally.
"Polite society"?
LOL. Take another guess.
When I first read Age of Reason by Thomas Paine I realized that I identified with his Deist philosphy. Then I read Benjamin Franklin's(the least religious of the foinding fathers) reply to Paine who was seeking his comment on the pamplet. He wrote to Paine..."I have read your manuscript with some attention. By the argument it contains against a particular Providence, though you allow a general Providence, you strike at the foundations of all religion. For without the belief of a Providence that takes cognizance of, guards, and guides, and may favor particular persons, there is no motive to worship a Deity, to fear his displeasure, or to pray for his protection. I will not enter into any discussion of your principles, though you seem to desire it. At present I shall only give you my opinion that . . . the consequence of printing this piece will be a great deal of odium drawn upon yourself, mischief to you, and no benefit to others. He that spits into the wind, spits in his own face. But were you to succeed, do you imagine any good would be done by it? . . . Think how great a portion of mankind consists of weak and ignorant men and women and of inexperienced, inconsiderate youth of both sexes who have need of the motives of religion to restrain them from vice, to support their virtue . . . . I would advise you, therefore, not to attempt unchaining the tiger, but to burn this piece before it is seen by any other person . . . . If men are so wicked with religion, what would they be without it? I intend this letter itself as proof of my friendship."
What logic.
Amen! Some of us refuse to adapt to abhorrent behavior!
There are times when the president does not need to, and should not, comment.
This was one of those times.
So, you are from the Rosie O'Donnell wing of the Republican party?
Morality and all of its associated ideals are rooted entirely in the presupposition some higher power defines what is correct for human behavior.
The very idea that human beings have individual rights not subject to the whims of an earthly monarch, but subject to the laws of Yahweh, is directly from Moses.
Guess what... Moses was not a Christian...
But our nation wasn't founded because Our Founding Patriarchs held certain morals to be self-evident or inalienable.
Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence:
"...to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them... that all men are created... Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world... with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence..."
WTF
Try reading the quotation from the article again. He was specifically asked whether he still still held that belief. You calling people fools will not change that. George Bush did side step the issue.
"In a 2005 interview with The New York Times, Bush said: "I believe children can receive love from gay couples but the ideal is -- and studies have shown that the ideal is where a child is raised in a married family with a man and a woman."
He side stepped the issue when questioned by People magazine about whether he still held that belief."
As I said before, he could simply have stated , Yes I still believe this.
Nice photo. I definitely needed a laugh and you delivered.
Hmmm, called gay people queers? Oh, goodness. How tender the emotions have had to have been. The horror of it. I'm sorry on his behalf that this fragility of yours, and thT of others, in your hearts and minds were not so considered.
Its a free speech forum, your taliban friends haven't been able to stop that. I can agree to disagree with you, its give and take.
Interesting...I have "Taliban" friends? From my perspective your nothing short of vicious. Being a military officer and having had friends murdered by Taliban you ought to consider the choice of labels you apply. You simply look like and come off as a total hate-filled liberal idiot when you do such things. What you're doing is a purposeful linking of the term "Taliban" to that of Christians...especially evangelicals. Its sick...nothing less. And you do this because you hate those who have a belief other than your own and display it any time they disagree with you and use their faith to support it.
Ann Slanders... like the enablers of the pagan Greeks Judas Maccabees slaughtered... how nice it was Hannukah to top that one off...
You mean the balsero ferry terminal?
Duh!
LOL.
Basically, the deconstruction of the Goldwater/Reagan type of conservatism, and the rise of conservative collectivism propelled by the religious right's search for legislative power.
God protect us if they ever do gain political power...Dark Ages here we are.
Jefferson is a great example of an individual with deeply seeded religious beliefs who was able to set apart government from faith. He (correctly) believed that politics and religion would corrupt one another.
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