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To: Accygirl
From: MissQuito

[Accygirl wrote:] My mom's a teacher, so I know that most schools are very sensitive to the wishes of the parents. I very much doubt that a majority of the schools would force that on five year olds.

If this were true, there would be no need for organizations such as the ACLJ to represent Christian parents whose children have been subjected to teaching in public schools, teaching that violates the Christian parents beliefs, including, I've read, pro-homosexual teaching and materials.

You honestly mean to tell us you've never heard one news story about homosexual groups, or those sympathetic to them, trying to force kids to read "Heather Has Two Mommies" and other such literature?

And that the sexual ed courses teach the kids there is "nothing wrong" with homoexuality?

Wasn't it during the 1980s when the Surgeon General thought it would be a good idea to have first graders learn about homosexuality (specifically anal sex between two men) and how to put a condom on a cucumber?

On a similar note, we have homosexuality crammed down our throats in TV shows and in movies (e.g. Brokeback Mountain, Queer Eye, Will and Grace, the L Word, and homosexual characters on other shows) all of which is seeking to "normalize" homosexuality and make us think it's okay.

One of the common refrains one began hearing sometime in the late 1980s or 1990s in regards to homosexuality was,

"[Insert critical comment about homosexuality here], not that there's anything wrong with it [homosexuality]."

That, to me, was one of the first things that demonsrated that the homosexual activists had made some in-roads: people had to qualify any criticism of homosexuals or homosexualty by tacking on the phrase, "not that there's anything wrong with it."

[Accygirl wrote - to another poster -] First, the fact that you think that all gay people are sexual predators is offensive.

So only straight people commit crimes? There is no such thing as a homosexual who has ever molested a child, shop lifted, stolen, lied?

I don't know if the other poster stated that all homoexuals are pedophiles, but there are connections. See, for instance, this:

The tragic story of Jesse Dirkhising

or this -

Pedophiles Argue Their Case in the Journal of Homosexuality

Why would homosexuals give pedophiles a platform from which to expound their views?

If homosexuals don't like the complaint that they foster pedophilia, one would think they would have absolutely nothing to do with any group who promoties it, but that isn't the case. They are chummy with NAMBLA.

and there's many straight people who engage in risky sexual behavior or use intravenous drugs that do...

Two wrongs do not make a right, which, I've noticed, has had to be repeated in this thread many a time by others.

Straight people engaging in fornication or sexual deviancy is not excusable. Neither is homosexuality.

Of interest:

The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS

There has been a lot of sloppy thinking in this thread, such as the oft- repeated argument that "because some straight parents are abusive, this means that homosexuality is morally acceptable, and it's perfectly acceptable for homosexuals to be parents."

(I don't think great white sharks would be decent parents to a human child either, but I fail to see how that automatically legitimizes homosexual unions / parentage.)

Then there are the bizarre arguments of the strawman variety stated early in the thread that one who is against lesbians having a baby must necessarily want, demand, or wish for the abortion of that baby.

Further sloppy arguments:

that what two public figures do in their bedroom is nobody's business so nobody is permitted to pass any sort of judgment about the situation, (or anyone who has an opinion on the subject should keep it to himself or herself).

Not a sloppy argument but an observation of mine:

People who are, for reasons of morality, against homosexual parenthood are not all necessarily in favor of the government enforcing laws against it.

- But the critics in this thread continue to attribute this view to any and all socially conservative types here.

559 posted on 12/12/2006 6:19:32 AM PST by MissQuito
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To: MissQuito

Great post!


560 posted on 12/12/2006 2:37:06 PM PST by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: MissQuito
"If this were true, there would be no need for organizations such as the ACLJ to represent Christian parents whose children have been subjected to teaching in public schools, teaching that violates the Christian parents beliefs, including, I've read, pro-homosexual teaching and materials."

For the most part, parents' rights aren't being violated. When I was in junior high, I knew a few girls whose parents thought they'd go to "hell" if they went to health. They were excused from the class. I think that the situations on the news a pretty rare; this is why they show up on the news.

"You honestly mean to tell us you've never heard one news story about homosexual groups, or those sympathetic to them, trying to force kids to read "Heather Has Two Mommies" and other such literature?"

Nobody is trying to force anyone to read anything. Parents have a say in what their kids read. Moreover, the whole idea of that sort of book is to teach kids to treat each other with tolerance, not to "convert" them to a gay lifestyle.

"And that the sexual ed courses teach the kids there is "nothing wrong" with homoexuality?"

Again... this is called tolerance. It's not the public schools' job to teach children religion (in fact it's prohibited); this is the parents' job.

"Wasn't it during the 1980s when the Surgeon General thought it would be a good idea to have first graders learn about homosexuality (specifically anal sex between two men) and how to put a condom on a cucumber?"

Actually, it was Jocelyn Elders during the 1990s, and she was ridiculed and got fired for it. I don't think that any reasonable person believes that a first grader needs to know the ins and outs of sex. Those discussion can wait until the child is nine/ ten years old.

"On a similar note, we have homosexuality crammed down our throats in TV shows and in movies (e.g. Brokeback Mountain, Queer Eye, Will and Grace, the L Word, and homosexual characters on other shows) all of which is seeking to "normalize" homosexuality and make us think it's okay."

Nobody is forcing you or your children to watch TV. Turn it off if you don't like what's on...

"That, to me, was one of the first things that demonsrated that the homosexual activists had made some in-roads: people had to qualify any criticism of homosexuals or homosexualty by tacking on the phrase, "not that there's anything wrong with it." "

Because most Americans don't believe in shoving their version of morality in the faces of others as they don't want others to do the same to them. In fact, Jesus discusses this idea numerous times in the Bible...

"So only straight people commit crimes? There is no such thing as a homosexual who has ever molested a child, shop lifted, stolen, lied?"

No, but in the same vein, not all sexual predators are gay and to say that just because someone is gay he/she is a sexual predator is offensive.... Which you seem to subscribe to.

"There has been a lot of sloppy thinking in this thread, such as the oft- repeated argument that "because some straight parents are abusive, this means that homosexuality is morally acceptable, and it's perfectly acceptable for homosexuals to be parents.""

I'm sure that Mary Cheney and her partner will be much better parents than some of the Upper Middle Class Daddy and Stay-at-Home Mommy households I was exposed to when I was growing up. A handful of the people I went to school with, mainly women, are basically estranged from their parents. I think that what we're getting at is that just because a child has a father and mother(and a stay-at-home mommy to boot!) doesn't mean that that child is going to have a happy childhood. There's many traditional families that screw up their children and many non-traditional families that raise wonderful children.
561 posted on 12/12/2006 5:01:54 PM PST by Accygirl
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