[Dead Corpse]

Note this part:

This is what your "victimless crime" does to the rest of society, making it more un-civil, dangerous and expensive for the rest of us.

In almost every argument like this, an appeal for more socialism/authoritarianism is made because of the effects of earlier socialistic/authoritarian policies. Forcing others to pay for emergency medical care or welfare (socialist policies) is an excuse to enact still more authoritarian controls on the public.

It's a logical loop. Expose it, and expose the lie.

[Phantom Patriot]

As for what you put in your body, it's none of my business, and I don't really care. I do care, however, when my kids can't play outside because they might get caught in the corssfire over drug turf, or when my insurance rates rise because crack addicts keep showing up at rehab centers and hospitals to use services they cannot pay for. This is what your "victimless crime" does to the rest of society, making it more un-civil, dangerous and expensive for the rest of us.


I have worked in government over 30 years. I found many times no matter how logical you make your point they all seem to get Alzheimer's on command.

[Wombat101]

"Forcing others to pay for emergency medical care or welfare (socialist policies) is an excuse to enact still more authoritarian controls on the public."

Nothing of the sort enters my mind! Why is it when you speak about a more civol society, you're automatically advocating a Stalinist police state? Now who's engaging in hyperbole, Dead?

If it were left up to me, hard-core addicts would be left to die in the street. Those that want to break the habit will always find their own motivation, and should be encouraged, but you can't round them up and force them into rehab.

In the meantime, if the general consensus of society is that "drugs are bad (as Mr. Mackey would say), then they are. If the same consensus decides that police should be given the tools to interdict and disrupt (if not outright end) the drug trade, then they should have them.

When that consensus changes, and makes it's wishes known, then those powers should be taken away. But not before then.

[Zon]

It's a logical loop. Expose it, and expose the lie.

Agreed. Actually, communism, socialism, democracy fascism and in effect all of "civilization" has operated on a system of external authority that is a system destined to self-destruction. Civilization in quotes because in reality it's an anti-civilization

The other system that has been mostly suppressed has the individual authority as the highest authority. It explains/defines why 95++% of the population doesn't initiate force against persons or their property. And, as much as possible operate according to free-market, capitalist principles. The nature of consciousness is the highest authority. Rational honest conscious minds will out-compete and render obsolete the mysticism-plagued minds that bow to the illusion of external authorities.