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WOW! ISN'T THIS DRUG WAR GREAT!
Boortz.com ^ | 11-22-2006 | Neal Boortz

Posted on 11/22/2006 7:35:17 AM PST by Dick Bachert

Atlanta police went to a home on Neal Street in Atlanta last evening to execute a search warrant. When they kicked the door in the only occupant of the home, a 92-year-old woman, started shooting. She hit all three police officers. One in the thigh, one in the arm and another in the shoulder. All police officers will be OK. The woman will not. She was shot and killed by the police.

I'm not blaming the cops here. Not at all. They had a valid search warrant, and they say they were at the right address. Shots were fired, three cops hit, and they returned fire. A 92-year-old woman who was so afraid of crime in her neighborhood that she had burglar bars on every door and window, is now dead.

The blame lies on this idiotic drug war we're waging. We have all the studies we need, all of the comprehensive data is in. We can do a much more effective job of reducing drug use in this country if we'll just take a portion of this money we spend for law enforcement and spend it on treatment programs. A Rand study showed that we can reduce illicit drug usage in this country a specified amount through treatment programs at about 10% of the cost of reducing drug usage by that same amount through criminalization and law enforcement.

There's just something in the American psyche that demands that drug users be punished instead of treated and rehabilitated. We think they're stupid and ignorant for getting mixed up with those drugs in the first place. And you know what? We're right? But look at the messages we send to our children every single day with cigarettes, alcohol, and an endless stream of drug ads on television and in magazines. Drug culture? You bet we have.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: cutandrun; donutwatch; druggy; drugwar; hempatarian; leo; stoner; wod; wodlist
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To: Dead Corpse

I don;t disagree with you, Dead.

The problem with these unsuccessful (and many of them, unfortunately are tragic) raids, is that the police do not engage in due dilligence before hand and verify their information, not that they have been empowered to do so. A little shoeleather expended beforehand would probably go a long weay to saving lives and resources.

However, the police are only responding to the demands of society, which wanted stricter enforcement regimes for drug crime and it's associated maladies (robbery, prostitution, etc). If you want to blame someone for this state of affairs, don't blame the police (except for when they REALLY screw up); start looking at your fellow citizens who abrogated their responsibility to the elected idiots who wrote these laws.

As for what you put in your body, it's none of my business, and I don't really care. I do care, however, when my kids can't play outside because they might get caught in the corssfire over drug turf, or when my insurance rates rise because crack addicts keep showing up at rehab centers and hospitals to use services they cannot pay for. This is what your "victimless crime" does to the rest of society, making it more un-civil, dangerous and expensive for the rest of us.

So while you exercise your right to put whatever you want into your body, please allow me my right to live in a peaceful, affordable, and safer society. Or am I not entitled to that if it means you can't smoke a joint?


221 posted on 11/22/2006 11:30:47 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: Sam Hill

Boy Ayn Rand sure got up your a$$ at some point in your life. But thank you I am an avid reader, one of the marks of a educated soul, and one that doesn't resort to ad hominem attacks to further their arguments.

What's on your state approved reading list???


222 posted on 11/22/2006 11:32:43 AM PST by rednesss
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To: Dead Corpse

".... you malodorous, toffee nosed, pervert...."

Shut your festering gob, you tit!

Now it's Dueling Python, is it? LOL


223 posted on 11/22/2006 11:33:26 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: mutley
Not to mention the one where a SWAT member comes through the window and steps in a basket of kittens. Or on a baby's head.

Just casualities of an idiotic war I guess. Can't make a perfect drug free utopia without killing a few thousand innocent people...

224 posted on 11/22/2006 11:33:31 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: mutley
Even when it's the wrong house, they still shoot the dog! Why do they always shoot the dog?

I think because there is an institutional disrespect for a person's private property in this nation. See the eminent domain abuses as of late: it's the same thing.
225 posted on 11/22/2006 11:34:16 AM PST by JamesP81 (If you have to ask permission from Uncle Sam, then it's not a right)
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To: mutley

They were beaten as children.


226 posted on 11/22/2006 11:35:07 AM PST by rednesss
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To: Wombat101
If you want a "safer" society, roll back government to its Constitutional limits. The economic boom alone would increase the level of posterity in ALL of our lives. Having unrestrained RKBA would take of crime quite handily.

Fighting a war on drugs isn't going to get you there.

227 posted on 11/22/2006 11:35:25 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Wombat101

As I said, it's silly. ;-)


228 posted on 11/22/2006 11:35:50 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: JamesP81

"The king is not only incapable of doing wrong, but even of thinking wrong: in him there is no folly or weakness." -- Blackstone

BLACKSTONE IN AMERICA - The Early America Review, Spring 1997
http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/spring97/blackstone.html


229 posted on 11/22/2006 11:36:15 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Dead Corpse

Can't make an omellette without breaking a few eggs.


230 posted on 11/22/2006 11:36:15 AM PST by rednesss
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To: Wombat101

You make some good points there.


231 posted on 11/22/2006 11:37:32 AM PST by JamesP81 (If you have to ask permission from Uncle Sam, then it's not a right)
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To: Dead Corpse

"Having unrestrained RKBA would take of crime quite handily."

Yeah, look at Somalia.

You kids are so hilarious. But if you ever leave your basement, you will see that the world is more complicated.

The country you imagine never existed anywhere -- least of all during the time of the founders.

They would have hanged you.


232 posted on 11/22/2006 11:38:57 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Dick Bachert

We can all sleep a bit sounder tonight knowing this menacing narco-granny has been killed and her customers forced to go next door to buy their drugs.


233 posted on 11/22/2006 11:39:03 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: rednesss
Apparently.

I'd rather live with the problems attending too much individual liberty rather than those with too little. I guess that's just me though...

234 posted on 11/22/2006 11:39:48 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Dead Corpse

"Just casualities of an idiotic war I guess. Can't make a perfect drug free utopia without killing a few thousand innocent people..."

And all for nothing, no advantage whatsoever. Drugs are still available everywhere, what ever you want, to whomever wants it.

It's difficult to swallow the fact that these instances, like this old lady, are just the drug war machine simply spinning it's wheels and getting nowhere.

It's unpalatable.


235 posted on 11/22/2006 11:40:10 AM PST by mutley
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To: Sam Hill
Yeah, look at Somalia.

Where only the commie back, Islamic warlords have guns?

Stop smoking crack Noobie.

236 posted on 11/22/2006 11:40:38 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Dead Corpse

But fighting a "War on Drugs" (why is it we declare war on every goddamned social issue?) is a byproduct of that econmomic boom; there probably wouldn't be a drug problem if people didn't have scads of disposable income to begin with. So, simply increasing prosperity would not necessarily decrease drug use; that argument (Crime exists because poverty does") is a tried-and-true loser. Crime (especially drug crimes) exists specifically because there's so much excess income and because human nature being what it is, people lack discipline.


237 posted on 11/22/2006 11:41:01 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: Sam Hill
You kids are so hilarious. But if you ever leave your basement, you will see that the world is more complicated.

Then tell us about the real world, pops. Your presumptions on this thread are bordering on the hillarious. Not everyone who's against the War on Drugs is a teen-age pothead posting from his parents' basement.

238 posted on 11/22/2006 11:41:41 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Wombat101

And a whole lot more factors than that. More wealth and more freedom don't transalte into more crime. Nor can it be justification for throwing our the Constitution.


239 posted on 11/22/2006 11:42:58 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Sam Hill
Nice try, but you might want to add some more of the article, for context you know:

A law could, however, could be illogical and therefore irrational and open to criticism. "Thus the statute of king Edward IV, which forbad the fine gentlemen of those times (under the degree of a lord) to wear pikes upon their shoes or boots of more than two inches in length, was a law that savored of oppression; because, however ridiculous the fashion then in use might appear, the restraining it by pecuniary penalties could serve no purpose of common utility."

You, sir, are raving. You are having a near psychotic episode on this forum worthy of a denizen of the DUmp.
240 posted on 11/22/2006 11:44:01 AM PST by JamesP81 (If you have to ask permission from Uncle Sam, then it's not a right)
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