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To: TexasPatriot8
I understand your frustration, I, too, watched the television with the hope that all would turn out well. But the margins were way too big to explain by people who normally vote Republican voting Libertarian. In every election, there are about 40-45 percent hard-core Democrats, and 40-45 percent hard-core Republicans (your mileage may vary by region) and its that mushy middle who determines the outcome.

This time, they got freaked out by Iraq. Nothing more. Gay marriage lost everywhere it appeared on the ballot, including Wisconsin, where I expected that it might prevail. Same with "partner" benefits in Colorado, where I expected that people might feel comfortable voting "No" on gay marriage, but "Yes" on civil unions, domestic partnerships, call them what you want.

Frankly, when I signed on to the war with Iraq, I did not envision what took place. I really expected our President to deal with both the Shia and the Sunni resistance decisively, I certainly did not expect the number of American dead that we've sustained to go unpunished.

This was a vote against politically correct warfare, that's all it comes down to. If GWB had nuked Fallujah the minute we saw pictures of dead burnt bodies of US contractors hanging from that bridge, we'd have killed a fair number of insurgents, saved the lives of US military who had to take that city in house-to-house fighting, and he would have been forgiven by people who were initially shocked. Anyone who hates Bush for the war would not have hated him any more. Furthermore, we'd have put a mighty fear in the hearts of our opponents in Iraq, and would likely have crushed the resistance.

This was a vote against fighting a war in the fashion we fought Vietnam, and future leaders would do well to take note.

42 posted on 11/08/2006 3:39:58 AM PST by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: hunter112
"Frankly, when I signed on to the war with Iraq, I did not envision what took place. I really expected our President to deal with both the Shia and the Sunni resistance decisively, I certainly did not expect the number of American dead that we've sustained to go unpunished.

This was a vote against politically correct warfare, that's all it comes down to. If GWB had nuked Fallujah the minute we saw pictures of dead burnt bodies of US contractors hanging from that bridge, we'd have killed a fair number of insurgents, saved the lives of US military who had to take that city in house-to-house fighting, and he would have been forgiven by people who were initially shocked. Anyone who hates Bush for the war would not have hated him any more. Furthermore, we'd have put a mighty fear in the hearts of our opponents in Iraq, and would likely have crushed the resistance."

Those 2 paragraphs are worth repeating

I personally think we are safe until the day after pelosis' coronation, then the islamist will hit us hard and fast to see how this new congress responds ( i.e. spain)......

Nancy better find a brass set.

49 posted on 11/08/2006 3:46:42 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and Apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: hunter112

"This was a vote against politically correct warfare"

I think you have a good point here. The democrats did run an effective, coordinated, national campaign against the war. It worked.

Nation building is not good policy. When the democrats de-fund the war efforts, we'll see just how much Iraqi's and Afgani's really want freedom and democracy.


54 posted on 11/08/2006 3:53:12 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: hunter112

I agree with you. We have not fought this war strongly enough. Where is our response to Iran's non response to the UN requests? What are we doing? playing tiddly-winds? I just don't get it. The world will hate us any way we play it.


61 posted on 11/08/2006 3:59:05 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: hunter112
But the margins were way too big ...

Last night (election night), the people down at the GOP campaign office said they had stacks of normally reliable Republican phone numbers, but those people would not answer or would not go to the polls as election day wore on.

Unfortunately, this is the main reason the GOP got trounced. These people let themselves be brainwashed by our local media, which pushed Dem-lib talking points from the beginning of these elections.

The Dow is at an all time high, unemployment at near record lows, and we haven't been attacked since 9/11, and yet many normally reliable Republicans allowed themselves to be "turned" by these constant negative reports of doom and gloom.

Cancel subscriptions to any and all lib-weenie newspapers and media publications, and/or stop buying products from businesses which keep these lib publications in business by advertising.

97 posted on 11/08/2006 4:25:22 AM PST by Edit35
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To: hunter112

If Iraq was being fought like Vietnam, what you said was right. But as the child of a four tour Vietnam vet, and having family and friends and co-workers and internet friends who have served multiple tours in Iraq, it's not true. I've heard, first hand, both experiences, and the only similarity is that they were both wars. Well there is one more similarity. AMericans of the 60s/70s, and Americans of today are spoiled rotton and don't have the backbone to fight and win a war no matter what the cost, like in the 40s and all wars before WWII. That's the ugly little fact that has reared it's head during Iraq. Clearly, most Americans think liberty and freedom is for us, and the poor unwashed dark skinned people of the world aren't worthy. I STRONGLY disagree with that sentiment. If liberals, and these "cut and run" conservatives for that matter, think that freedom and liberty is for ALL, not just a select few, then the support for Iraq would be almost universal. You defeat an enemy by fighting until they are dead or they leave. Now we'll be the ones leaving, and if Iraq can't defend itself, I wonder how long it will take for the numbers of murdered Iraqi's who supported democracy there to number in the 1+ million range, like in Vietnam after we retreated from there tail tucked between our legs. It took over 20 years for our brave military to get over being forced to lose a winnable war. And if the Democrats have their way, the military, whom the liberal's loathe, will be forced to lose this one. And Islamo-fascism will spread like an aggressive cancer. Iraq was the radiation treatement for that cancer but most Americans it seems are just too weak and spoiled to stomach it. Weakness is pathetic and the weaknes I smell as the stench coming off this election makes me want to puke.


142 posted on 11/08/2006 6:00:15 AM PST by TexasPatriot8 (Issues don't matter, lies are ok, liberals are in control,& Conservative non-votes did it. Good job.)
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Everyone would do well go to read the history of "The Battle Of Tours" in the 8th century. By retreating from Iraq, which is what the Democrats want to do, we are doing the exact opposite of what Charles Martel did to beat the Muslims in France, which is the ONLY thing that preserved non-Muslim Christian Europe and allowed the free western civilization we know today to come about. It disgusts me how many Americans are so pathetic and soft and weak that after ONLY 3 and a half years, they're ready to bend over and grab the ankles and quit. It makes me even sicker because we have an ALL VOLUNTEER MILITARY FORCE that is READY, WILLING, ABLE, and WANTING to stay till they win. And now, after all their sweat, tears, blood, and sacrifice, they might well be defeated in Iraq. By the Congress, NOT the terrorists. And gutless self-important "my way or else" conservatives are to blame for it.

Anyone who questions the kind of conservative I am, put your money where your mouth is and read my past posts over the months. I am as firmly conservative as anyone, lived in Texas 34 years of my life and proud of it. And just because I'm not afraid to speak my mind and lay blame where it needs to be laid, doesn't mean I have to take crap from peopel who are calling me names, likely out of a sense of guilty conscience. You all paid for this Congress you're getting in January. And conservatives like me will NEVER let you forget it. You will NOT have the luxury of buyers remorse. You did this, and you know who you are. Now deal with it and own it. If you can't handle being called to task by fellow conservatives who totally disagree with what you did, then you have a real problem don't you? I did my part, and if everyone who was a real conservative voted the way I did, the Republican party would still have a conservative majority in the House and Senate, and January 2008 could be looked foward to for picking conservative candidates to replace RINOs in the Congress, and picking either Allen or some other good conservative for President. Now, all that is gone. And those who are to blame, know who they are. Conservative values are supposed to trump frustration with a weak leadership. They didn't in this election and that illustrates that many "conservative" voters have a Colossal lack of ability to get their priorities in order. Keeping liberal Democrats from control of Congress, priority #1, replacing RINOs with conservatives IN THE PRIMARIES, #2. Teaching the GOP a lesson by not voting for even good conservatives like Allen and Talent and Santorum, well, that's not even on the list of things any conservative should have done.

144 posted on 11/08/2006 6:07:03 AM PST by TexasPatriot8 (Issues don't matter, lies are ok, liberals are in control,& Conservative non-votes did it. Good job.)
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To: hunter112

I am concerned this will be a situation in which it will take a decade or more to win back the House.....keep in mind how long the Dems had it before we won it in 1994.

But, I also sense this largely was a protest vote...a throw the bums out....not really a 'we love the Dems and want to toss out the Republicans' vote.

That means, if I am correct...we could have some luck in 2008 provided we run a good campaign.


159 posted on 11/08/2006 6:49:29 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: hunter112
...we'd have put a mighty fear in the hearts of our opponents in Iraq, and would likely have crushed the resistance.

Taking the results of that strategy a step further, we might have dangerously stirred up a hornet's nest in the whole middle east.

We sure couldn't count on our "faithful friends" on that side of the world to join us in fighting off Iran and Syria, e.g., along with the terrorist organizations this region has spawned.

Aside from risking that outcome, which I fear would worsen the whole ugly mess, I'm with you 100%.

376 posted on 11/09/2006 9:06:48 PM PST by IIntense
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