Posted on 11/08/2006 3:13:19 AM PST by TexasPatriot8
In which case, check the conclusion of my previous post. One term and out.
If Iraq was being fought like Vietnam, what you said was right. But as the child of a four tour Vietnam vet, and having family and friends and co-workers and internet friends who have served multiple tours in Iraq, it's not true. I've heard, first hand, both experiences, and the only similarity is that they were both wars. Well there is one more similarity. AMericans of the 60s/70s, and Americans of today are spoiled rotton and don't have the backbone to fight and win a war no matter what the cost, like in the 40s and all wars before WWII. That's the ugly little fact that has reared it's head during Iraq. Clearly, most Americans think liberty and freedom is for us, and the poor unwashed dark skinned people of the world aren't worthy. I STRONGLY disagree with that sentiment. If liberals, and these "cut and run" conservatives for that matter, think that freedom and liberty is for ALL, not just a select few, then the support for Iraq would be almost universal. You defeat an enemy by fighting until they are dead or they leave. Now we'll be the ones leaving, and if Iraq can't defend itself, I wonder how long it will take for the numbers of murdered Iraqi's who supported democracy there to number in the 1+ million range, like in Vietnam after we retreated from there tail tucked between our legs. It took over 20 years for our brave military to get over being forced to lose a winnable war. And if the Democrats have their way, the military, whom the liberal's loathe, will be forced to lose this one. And Islamo-fascism will spread like an aggressive cancer. Iraq was the radiation treatement for that cancer but most Americans it seems are just too weak and spoiled to stomach it. Weakness is pathetic and the weaknes I smell as the stench coming off this election makes me want to puke.
The moonbat posterboy, Lamont, lost,... big.
Anyone who questions the kind of conservative I am, put your money where your mouth is and read my past posts over the months. I am as firmly conservative as anyone, lived in Texas 34 years of my life and proud of it. And just because I'm not afraid to speak my mind and lay blame where it needs to be laid, doesn't mean I have to take crap from peopel who are calling me names, likely out of a sense of guilty conscience. You all paid for this Congress you're getting in January. And conservatives like me will NEVER let you forget it. You will NOT have the luxury of buyers remorse. You did this, and you know who you are. Now deal with it and own it. If you can't handle being called to task by fellow conservatives who totally disagree with what you did, then you have a real problem don't you? I did my part, and if everyone who was a real conservative voted the way I did, the Republican party would still have a conservative majority in the House and Senate, and January 2008 could be looked foward to for picking conservative candidates to replace RINOs in the Congress, and picking either Allen or some other good conservative for President. Now, all that is gone. And those who are to blame, know who they are. Conservative values are supposed to trump frustration with a weak leadership. They didn't in this election and that illustrates that many "conservative" voters have a Colossal lack of ability to get their priorities in order. Keeping liberal Democrats from control of Congress, priority #1, replacing RINOs with conservatives IN THE PRIMARIES, #2. Teaching the GOP a lesson by not voting for even good conservatives like Allen and Talent and Santorum, well, that's not even on the list of things any conservative should have done.
Eff you right back, buddy.
And I too think that even some here, some FReepers, are some of those who caused this to happen. Whenever someone calls me a baby or other childish name calling, in response to a generic comment I make where I single out not a single specific person, it makes me think that it struck a nerve and that those who respond to viciously are suffering guilty conscience. I was in a large room of people who reacted the same as I as the returns came in, and they're good solid hard working conservative people who volunteered many hours and many days, some running for office themselves. I bet those who bust my chops here think that just because they vote, that that's all it takes. Well just voting doesn't cut it. And I will not accept criticism from people who simply vote, and then come post here and think they've done all they could. To h**l with that. There are so many things to do beyond just voting, it's silly. And like you said Blessed; "just maybe they're the Republican vote cut-and-runners you're talking about; they doth protest too much" The only conservatives I've talked to since the election who are more interrested in fussing at me for being angry that the Congress is loss, are a few FReepers here. All the people I know are just as upset as me and even though they're not happy with the weak GOP leadership, NO ONE wanted Democrats winning Congress. Real conservatives with their head in the game recognize that above all, a Democrat Congress is the WORST thing to let happen. You don't give up a touchdown, in the hopes that you can come up the field and maybe get a field goal.
From NRO:
Rep. Mike Pence, who will figure in the House GOP leadership battles to come, released this statement about the election results:
Election day 2006 will be remembered as a turning point in American political history. Twenty-five years after the Reagan Administration came to Washington with a conservative agenda of limited government, the American people chose a different course.
It is the duty of the losing party in a free election to humbly accept defeat and to acknowledge that the people are sovereign in the People's House.
As we examine the results of this election, it is imperative that we listen to the American people and learn the right lessons.
Some will argue that we lost our majority because of scandals at home and challenges abroad. I say, we did not just lose our majority, we lost our way.
While the scandals of the 109th Congress harmed our cause, the greatest scandal in Washington, D.C. is runaway federal spending.
After 1994, we were a majority committed to balanced federal budgets, entitlement reform and advancing the principles of limited government. In recent years, our majority voted to expand the federal government's role in education, entitlements and pursued spending policies that created record deficits and national debt.
This was not in the Contract with America and Republican voters said, "enough is enough." Our opponents will say that the American people rejected our Republican vision. I say the American people didn't quit on the Contract with America, we did. And in so doing, we severed the bonds of trust between our party and millions of our most ardent supporters.
As the 110th Congress convenes next year, Republicans must cordially accept defeat and dedicate ourselves to advancing our cause as the loyal opposition knowing that the only way to retake our natural, governing majority, is to renew our commitment to limited government, national defense, traditional values and reform.
You could have posted blank space, and still not said less then you actually did in your post. Being angry at the loss of the Congres is not being a sore loser, nor is putting blame where blame is due. If you have something substantive to say, then be a man and say it. If all you have to say is silly little childish things like "don't be a sore loser" then quit wasting band width. Anyone who doesn't mind losing isn't worth a cup of warm p**s.
So you think the country wants what the Democrats are selling? Lies and deceit and liberalism and a party that never met a abortion or gay issue they didn't like? If you think that GOP candidates didn't run as consercvatives, then you didn't look at many races. Democrats are the ones running as something they weren't. Not Republicans.
Apparently he would like you to speak in more grown up and eloquent terms as he does:
The voters in Virginia and Ohio and Missouri and Montana are the STUPIDEST MOST RETARTED SHORT SIGHTED INBRED MORONS on the face of the stinking planet!!!!!
You post an infintile tantrum, calling people "retards" (real classy there, fella), inbred morons (wow, that's a persuasive tack), etc etc, and I'm childish? LOL. Take a pill.
I voted a straight R ticket, with the exception of 10 judges who were running unopposed anyway.
And you don't just NUKE civilian areas. Ever heard of this thing called RADIATION!!! It drifts with the weather. You don't just NUKE towns. I'm as pro-military as anyone, but that is just plain STUPID!!! There are conventional weapons that do the same damage with no radiation. And if we did "Nuke 'em" like you suggest, how long do you think it would be befor the already socialist filthy U.N. would label the U.S. as a rogue state and only Israel would remain as the sole U.S. ally in the world? This is not WWII where nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved hundreds of thousands of soldiers and Marines lives, and millions of Japanese lives saved because island invations didn't have to take place. Nuking the hot spots in Iraq would not save American lives on the ground. It would inflame the radical Muslims so much more and create so many terrorists, there would bee tens of millions before the fallout settled. My God, please think before you start tossing nuclear material around like it's a grenade!!!
You're welcome, I sure would have preferred not saying it though. The next two years will be tough. This was a fight I really didn't want to have to take on the next two years. It's hard enough fighting the terrorists, the illegals, and the courts, without having to fight the Congress as a minority too. My only hope is that after a steady diet of one lib bill after another for the next year, Conservatives will be really angry at that and the "conservatives" who thought the GOP needed to learn a lesson, will learn their own lesson and come back to the GOP with the realization that ANY GOP is better than a Democrat majority. Because of that shortsighted lack of reason and logic, we have to live with that mistake for two years. And I REALLY HATE having to live with OTHER PEOPLE'S mistakes!!! Next time Conservatives want to teach someone a lesson, I hope they move to Mexico or Canada and come back after voting there. I think they've done enough damage to the conservative party that can actually win elections for one century.
If you look at this from a purely poltical sense, all you think about is recovery and not losing in 2 years. But, 2 years is a long time and many things could happen as a result of this election that have an impact on people and countries that go beyond politics. Serious thought. The bad result here is that the GOP will still be blamed by the MSM no matter what the outcome. I have to wonder if this result would really be a boost to catapult the GOP into the 2008 White House
I am concerned this will be a situation in which it will take a decade or more to win back the House.....keep in mind how long the Dems had it before we won it in 1994.
But, I also sense this largely was a protest vote...a throw the bums out....not really a 'we love the Dems and want to toss out the Republicans' vote.
That means, if I am correct...we could have some luck in 2008 provided we run a good campaign.
Besides all that, what are your qualifications in looking down your nose to see if the Iraqi's and Afghanis really want freedom and Democracy? Haven't enough of them died the past few years to prove they want it? Be sure to let me know when you think enough of them have been killed to warrant them "deserving" our oh so special gift to them of freedom. Your post was beyond arrogant.
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