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To: pigdog
WHOSE use of "misinformation and personal attacks"??? Look back through this thread and see who is originating all the personal attacks ... it's not the FairTax supporters.

Well, let's review this thread.  My first post was in #5:

Always Right:  Except the paper still fraudulantly insists that governments can raise money by taxing themselves. The report also states that state governments will have to raise their tax rates to make up for the additional revenues because of the taxes imposed on the states. Not a honest third party analysis, but an analysis by a paid for fairtax shill.


All rationale arguments with no personal attacks against any poster.  I kept my arguments to factual discussions of what is in the report and undisclosed information about the author of the report.  Your response in posts #10:

PIGDOG:  Your post is merely nonsense and utter gibberish and merely indicates you either haven't read or don't understand the paper (or both).

You immediately attack my intelligence.  You don't engage in any intelligent debate.  You don't refute the points except to call them 'nonsense and utter gibberish'.  You initiate your childish attacks, then you have the nerve to LIE about who originated the attacks on this thread.  And then you cry and cry repeatedly about personal attacks on you.  Your continual outright lying in every thread has no place in a forum which thrives on honest discussion.  In my opinion, this forum would be a much better place without you.

134 posted on 10/20/2006 8:56:34 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
"Well, let's review this thread."

OK, let's ...

"My first post was in #5:

Always Right: Except the paper still fraudulantly [sic]insists that governments can raise money by taxing themselves. The report also states that state governments will have to raise their tax rates to make up for the additional revenues because of the taxes imposed on the states. Not a honest third party analysis, but an analysis by a paid for fairtax [sic] shill. "

Is it that you truly believe that the highlighted phrases were not personal attacks - in this case on the authors of the paper who are well-respected economists - and that by making such attacks you attempt to derogate the economists, the paper, its contents, and those who post in favor of it????

If so, that means you think it's quite fine for you to launch such attacks - as you frequently do - but to have anyone respond is not allowed. Does that seem reasonable to you??? Do you believe that others should sit on their hands and allow you to make such unprovoked personal attacks???

"All rationale [sic] arguments with no personal attacks against any poster. I kept my arguments to factual discussions of what is in the report and undisclosed information about the author of the report. "

"Rational arguments ... really?? "Third party shill" to describe the paper's author is your idea of "rational"??? "Fraudulently insists" and "not an honest ... analysis" are your idea of "factual discussions of the report"??? And you allude to "undisclosed information about the author' so as to presumably let everyone know that he's lying and colluding somehow with someone to purposely present false and distorted information???

By making such statements you're only fooling yourself as most readers who study the paper will find it to be a very descriptive factual, well-reasoned, and mathematically significant piece of work. You merely attempt to "flip it off" by your usual personal attack mode. Won't work.

As for my post #10 which is a response to your post #5 and pointing up the faulty content of that post as I have just done above is probably even less of a personal attack on you that your #5 is on any FairTax supporter, but at least my #10 is directed to you and the content of your post #5 ... and not any sort of attack launched on any of your colleagues who oppose the FairTax (as your #5 was as pointed out above).

Furthermore your additional post (in livid color so all will notice) which says:

"You immediately attack my intelligence. You don't engage in any intelligent debate. You don't refute the points except to call them 'nonsense and utter gibberish'. You initiate your childish attacks, then you have the nerve to LIE about who originated the attacks on this thread. And then you cry and cry repeatedly about personal attacks on you. Your continual outright lying in every thread has no place in a forum which thrives on honest discussion. In my opinion, this forum would be a much better place without you. "

Let's parse that

"You immediately attack my intelligence." - Nope, only the content of your post #5 was "attacked" (which I believe is a misnomer IEA).

" You don't engage in any intelligent debate." - a purposeful misstatement of fact in an effort to denigrate your opponent (and also quite untrue as many could certainly tell you).

"You don't refute the points except to call them 'nonsense and utter gibberish'." - I certainly did call them nonsense and utter gibberish (which is commentary on your presentation, not your intelligence) and I also frequently refute your points on this and other threads ... and you take violent and frequently profane exception to that.

"You initiate your childish attacks, then you have the nerve to LIE about who originated the attacks on this thread." - Seems to me that #5 precedes #10 (and we're finding out about #10 right now).

"And then you cry and cry repeatedly about personal attacks on you." - quite possibly I have more personal and other attacks directed at me than any other single poster on these threads - and yet the Mods do nothing to inhibit such attacks so I have reason to point this out when it happens as not doing so certainly accomplishes nothing but merely emboldens others who think they have free license to do so since they are in no way penalized or inhibited from doing so.

" Your continual outright lying in every thread has no place in a forum which thrives on honest discussion" - absolutely false and a charge that you and others frequently make yet have never shown a single case of these "continual and outright lies" and this merely becomes yet another attack of yours with no demonstrable basis - and it is untrue to boot.

"In my opinion, this forum would be a much better place without you." - there's an obvious response to that which I'll not indulge in ... and I doubt the Mods is listening or would take any action in any event. So go ahead ... keep taking your best shots; but by all means don't ever attack me or other Fairtax supporters since you're so pure-hearted.

198 posted on 10/20/2006 7:02:37 PM PDT by pigdog
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