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To: xcamel
BTW, the example in #32 assumes the bill's current 23% inclusive / 29.87% exclsuive NRST rate. if, however, the Bush tax cuts were made permanent, the revenue-neutral rate drops to (I beleive) 19.2% inclusive / 23.76% exclusive.

That makes the "net" price change for "Joe" $3.79 (3.79%) less than the current price. Again, still within the +/- 5% prediction.

39 posted on 10/10/2006 11:03:01 AM PDT by kevkrom (War is not about proportionality. Knitting is about proportionality. War is about winning.)
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To: kevkrom
BTW, the example in #32 assumes the bill's current 23% inclusive / 29.87% exclsuive NRST rate. if, however, the Bush tax cuts were made permanent, the revenue-neutral rate drops to (I beleive) 19.2% inclusive / 23.76% exclusive.
No it wouldn't. Research just released (and supported by the AFT) by Kotlikoff using projected 2007 data and every possible positive assumption about the FairTax found that the 23% rate was not revenue neutral.
43 posted on 10/10/2006 11:29:05 AM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: kevkrom
All these so-called "revenue neutral" rate calculations ignore the increase tax burden on state and local governments. While it could be argued that the Federal Rate might be 23% (ti) or 19.2%(ti) ... though for a variety of reasons these rates ignore other realities that will make them higher ...) a significant portion of FairTax revenue is going to come from the taxation of State and Local government purchases: tax not now paid.

Because this is a wholly NEW tax and not now figured into State and Local tax rates, S&L governments will have to increase the taxes they collect from their taxpayers to pay the bill.

As calculated by your sources, even at the 19.2% inclusive rate, State and Local governments would have to come up with an additional $190 Billion they do not now have. That will come from S&L tax increases, on average, increases of 17% in the amount of S&L tax collected; rate impacts will vary widely by jurisdiction.

Quoting the Federal Rate alone when talking of the FairTax is telling only part of the story. In total, after the impact of S&L taxation is included, the "effective rate" on people is significantly greater. Normalizing to a simple "taxpayer" rate that recognizes that taxing S&L governments is just an indirect tax on people, the 19.2% rate you cite would actually bite into the taxpayer to the tune of a 24% ti rate. At the currently advertized 23% ti rate, the taxpayer would experinence an effect of more like a tax inclusive rate of 28%.

Remember, governments don't pay taxes, people do.

51 posted on 10/10/2006 11:58:15 AM PDT by Dimples
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To: kevkrom
BTW, the example in #32 assumes the bill's current 23% inclusive / 29.87% exclsuive NRST rate. if, however, the Bush tax cuts were made permanent, the revenue-neutral rate drops to (I beleive) 19.2% inclusive / 23.76% exclusive
So you Fairtaxers are now saying the Bush tax cuts have reduced, not increased revenue.
65 posted on 10/11/2006 7:42:04 AM PDT by lewislynn (Fairtax = lies, hope, wishful thinking, conjecture and lack of logic.)
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