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To: Dimples
STILL WILL be collected in exactly the same way they are today under the FairTax.

You are the one that remains blind. The Fair Tax would replace all individual and corporate taxes...Medicare, SS, and FUTA payroll taxes, estate, gift etc.

Not a reflection of the tax code! LOL Only a IRS shrill, tax attorney or someone else who benefits from the progressive income tax would say such a thing. Anyone without an agenda knows that the income tax code is convoluted, torturous, progressive and purposefully intrusive.

I am involved. You just don't like the bill that I work for...and I'm not a "bud" and if I were I wouldn't be your bud.
171 posted on 10/13/2006 4:05:54 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: socialismisinsidious
The Fair Tax would replace all individual and corporate taxes...

Actually, not all. Excise taxes both individual and corporate will remain, though they are admittedly small in magnitude compared to the replaced taxes. Other levies not part of Subtitles A, B, or C of the Internal Revenue Code will also remain (Subtitles D through K remain unchanged.)

You explicitly called out unemployment taxes. Employers in states with their own unemployment programs (all states, btw) pay 0.8% on the first $7000 of income...a WHOPPING $56 per covered employee (dropping to $42 at the end of 2007.)

State Unemployment insurance programs, representing a order of magnitued larger burden, will not be eliminated by the FairTax; the 56$ will be shifted to the FairTax, not eliminated. Once it's buried in the FairTax, how will you know how much it is? (HINT: you won't!)

As we have been saying for quite some time now, no matter how you spin it, your paystub explicitly accounts for over 80% of your Federal Tax Burden (85% - 87% if you're in the bottom 95% of all income earners ... that's just about everybody.) The other 20% (13% - 15% for MOST) includes ALL of the other so-called embedded taxes (primarily corporate profit tax and excise taxes.) List as many as you like, they're ALL in there.

This is not the big, unfathomable mystery you keep pretending it is.

BTW I never said the tax code wasn't complex, I said neither YOU nor ANYONE ELSE wades through 60K pages of tax code to calculate their taxes. Aside from the fact that there aren't nearly that many pages to begin with, only a few actually apply to you (and to most others.)

You just don't like the bill that I work for...

You got that right. And I mostly don't like it because its implementation will likely be an economic disaster. It's supporters are largely ill informed about both current tax law and the likely impacts of implementing the FairTax. They have attempted to sell the bill using significant misrepresentation, even outright lies. And when this is proved, they change the argument or start calling names. Most of them have difficulty staying on point in a discussion preferring instead to wander all over the proverbial map changing their arguments to avoid substantive debate. In the end, most seem to resort to the "you must make you living from the Tax Code ruse, or the "you have an agenda" dismissal ... as though FairTax supporters are agenda-free ... right.

...and I'm not a "bud" and if I were I wouldn't be your bud.

Again, no need to get snippy; but, if you are the type who can only get along with people who agree with everything you say or believe, then you're probably right. And that's pretty sad. You don't have to be disagreeable just because you disagree.

You don't even know me (or maybe you do ... I used to live in PA for about 20 years ... who knows?)

176 posted on 10/13/2006 8:19:39 PM PDT by Dimples
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