Posted on 10/02/2006 9:16:45 AM PDT by DCBryan1
Edited on 10/02/2006 12:55:46 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Developing....
School Shooting injures one person,
Hostage situation may be developing.
Update: Multiple Shooting Victims and Possible Hostages in Lancaster County
Not many details available yet, but an incident has been reported from Mine Rd. in Bart Township in Lancaster County involving multiple gunshot victims. Dennis Buterbaugh reports live from our newsroom. abc27 has a news crew on the way. We will update with details as they become available.
Update 2: Pennsylvania Police: Amish School is 'Horrendous Crime Scene' After Shooting
NICKEL MINES, Pa. At least two female students and one slightly older female who may have been a teacher's aide were shot and killed execution style in what police say may be a revenge killing for something that happened 20 years ago.
State Police Commissioner Jeffrey Miller said Monday that truck driver Charles Carl Roberts IV entered the one-room Amish schoolhouse in earlier in the day. The gunman brought in pieces of wood to board up the doors to the building when he entered the school. He also stacked desks against the building's doors.
"It appears that the suspect entered school with the intention of taking hostages," Miller said.
Roberts had wire ties and plastic flex cuff, which he used to begin tying the hostages feet together after they were lined up along a blackboard. He let go 15 male students, as well as one adult female who was pregnant. Three other non-student females with infants were also allowed to leave. One shotgun and one handgun was found next to the suspect when police entered the building.
"It seems as though he wanted to attack young, female victims," Miller said.
After a half hour inside, Roberts began shooting. When the gunfire stopped, three females were found shot dead at the scene, along with the suspect, who shot himself, Miller said. At least seven more victims some critically wounded were transported to nearby hospitals, he said. One victim, a young girl, died in the arms of a trooper, Miller said. He could not confirm how many people died en route or at the hospital. The county coroner earlier reported six children killed but then backed off of that statement.
Again, just conflicting reports. I have also just 'heard' (radio again) that the killer had been in a 'dark' mood the last several weeks. Waiting for the explanation of 'dark.' Depression? Bipolar? Wrong meds?
Yep....here come the excuses.
They will probably recognize it as the aberration it was, pray to God, including a prayer for mercy for the soul of the murderer, and then go back to leading their lives as they were.
Times have changed. Just as the result of the events of 9/11 that aircraft hijackings are now considered terrorist attacks, any take-over of a school or university will not be considered a hostage situation but rather a killing field.
I only lurked this thread yesterday, but the references of hostages in these school take-overs shows naivete towards the current criminal elements in our midst.
Maybe, but they won't forget. Parents will look around. Teachers will be on guard. Dads may just drop in to see how things are going. Maybe another school, in a different location?
Very well put.
"He could have just as easily driven his milk truck through the school and killed even more people"
Sssshh! Don't give the crazies any more ideas! $;-)
Valid statement. Some people have VERY long memories.
At the time the teacher sought help from the police, it WAS a hostage situation and there was hope for dialogue between the police and the perp. The average citizen (Amish or otherwise) doesn't have the tools (phone tracers, loudspeakers, hostage negotiators, etc) needed to contact a perp holed up behind barricades and "walk him out."
While there was a chance the situation could escalate to violence, I imagine the Amish community was hoping for everyone to come out alive. I don't believe they called the police expecting mercenaries for hire.
That was my point. ;)
If one chooses not to defend oneself, that's one thing but for the life of me I could not see standing by and watching it happen. (Now, I don't want to sound like I'm condemning those women and boys who left. What could a pregnant woman and others with small babies who have been brought up all their lives not to retaliate in any way, shape, or form, do?)
Anyway, I certainly see your point. I don't get it either.
I agree with your analysis.
You will see the trolls smoked out of the woodwork on this subject.
I don't feel so good about my guns today. I no longer think they're big enough, and I don't think I have enough of them. Time for another shopping spree.
Thanks EBH for the legwork and the update, it is greatly appreciated!
It's times like these that make me thankful to live here amongst so many conservatives with strong faith. Everyone is stunned and devastated, but there's not much liberal-style finger-pointing and hand-wringing. We're all "family", and will see that the families and friends of these victims want for nothing, spiritually or physically.
Maybe drug abuse? He was scheduled for a random drug test the day of the shootings.
I pray I wouldn't
leave the kids, also. I think
at a nightmare time
like that, one could say
to the hostage taker, "Please,
in the name of Christ,
let me stay and pray
with the kids, for the kids, and
for you." It could be
that evoking Christ
would touch something deep in him
and somehow defuse
some of his madness.
This is the only recourse
I can conceive of
for people without
martial arts training, or if
in the madman's sights.
This is completely over the top.
Please. Start a thread on the Second Amendment and guns in or out of schools...
This is just speculation, and I'm not able to research this at the moment, but several weeks ago a young Amish girl was stopped along the road by a man who tried to get her into his pick-up truck. I don't know if they caught him. I can't remember ever hearing of something like that happening before. When this news came out yesterday I immediately wondered if this man was the same one. Or if the girl was a student in that school.
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