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Sorry, Unlearner, but every religion is convinced that they are the one true religion, and everyone elses religion is the spawn of Satan.

It is not a convincing argument.

Creationism is not a reasoning belief based on evidence, it is indeed an irrational belief system based on dogma.

You have no other evidence besides the bible to back up your beliefs, this is called circular reasoning, and is unacceptable in a scientific context or discussion.

The only evidence there is for creationism is the bible, the bible is correct because it says it is. Sorry, doesn't hold water in an evidence based, scientific context.

Latest Poll Results

More than 400 votes have come in since my last update, but the percentages are pretty much as I reported earlier. Prior FR polls typically receive around 6,000 votes before they're ended. This one now has 3,459 votes, so it seems unlikely that the trend will change very much.

I'm ignoring un-registered voters. They're not freepers, and they seem remarkably opinionated. Their rate of "undecided" or "pass" votes is about half that of freepers, and all of the difference in decisiveness shows up in their percentage of "Yes" votes. An interesting pattern. Aside from that, we know that freepers can only vote once.

Therefore, the important votes are from registered freepers, and in particular, those who have expressed an opinion on the poll question, so I'm also ignoring their votes for "undecided" or "pass." Freepers with an opinion have voted as follows:

Yes (put creationism in science class) 1,090 votes
No (keep creationism out of science class) 592 votes
Total freeper votes (excluding "undecided" or "pass") 1,682

Percentage voting "No" is 35.2%

Sorry, Unlearner, but every religion is convinced that they are the one true religion, and everyone elses religion is the spawn of Satan.

Sure, and every politician claims to be telling the truth. Do you believe Bush is honest? Do you believe Clinton is honest? The claim to be telling the truth does not lump the two together. One has a good reputation for honesty. The other has been caught lying many times, even under oath. the question is which set of beliefs have the ring of truth to them. Which resonate spiritually with the listener. Look, a lot of people think Bush is a liar and Clinton is just a victim. Why? Because these people want to believe it. That does not change reality.

Creationism is not a reasoning belief based on evidence, it is indeed an irrational belief system based on dogma.

A dogma is a view that is unwilling to be tested. True faith is willing to be tested when it can be. Of course even science has assumptions which in some cases cannot be tested. Theories based on the Bible can be tested. If you hold that the Bible is more true and real than the material realm, then it is not possible to test the underlying faith in the Bible so as to make this view falsifiable. But then again, not all knowledge is scientific knowledge.

You have no other evidence besides the bible to back up your beliefs

I have posted before specific, supernatural answers to prayer. So I know your assertion is untrue. You are forced to either accept my claim or reject it based on your own views, experience and perception of my trustworthiness.

Sorry, doesn't hold water in an evidence based, scientific context.

Scientific views based on the Bible are no different than scientific ideas that come from any other source. Hypothesis formation does not rely on the physical senses entirely. The process relies on imagination and creativity. If someone puts forward a hypothesis based on their religious views, it makes no difference. It might not be attractive to those who do not share these beliefs, but the same rules apply.