Im sorry it took me so long to get back to this. Ive been busy with a family emergency for a few days. I don't know how much, if any, free time Ill have in the near future. Some of you know what the family emergency is, and why it is ongoing. The rest of you are free to speculate.
Ive grown weary of the unprovoked flame wars by Howlin and her friends, and I could feel another one coming on. Im not french, and Im not into appeasement. Besides, appeasement doesnt seem to work for the other FReepers Ive seen them flame. So I told Howlin that I knew about the anti-FReeper group she started. Its been common knowledge for at least a couple months. I cant believe I was the first one to mention it to her. But apparently I was. Her reaction was to call me a liar, deny the site existed, demand proof, ping her FRiends to the flame, deny the contents of the site were directed negatively toward FR, and accuse me of hacking into the site which she previously denied existed.
Why lie about it? Its not like it was the first anti-FReeper site she was known to post at. Its not like shed be banned or suspended. Its not like nobody knew she wanted Terri Schiavo dead, and hated everyone who didnt. So why would she automatically deny the existence of the group? Keep reading, and youll see why.
Others from her group joined in the false accusations, and demands that I post their thread here. I resisted the demands, only to be flamed about it with more demands and false accusations. I told them that what I have includes their real names and e-mail addresses. They still demanded that I post it.
Howlin even posted a link to it. Thank you Howlin! Then someone told her that the link actually worked, and she went to yahoo to have the group removed.
Right when Howlin unwittingly posted the link, a family emergency came up, and I had to leave. Darn, I would have loved to ping everyone to it, so everyone could see for themselves, and save copies. Thats okay. There are several copies floating around, and I have one; plus a few that Ill be handing out as stocking stuffers.
Id like to address the false accusations against me, of hacking into Howlins site, and changing it from members only to open forum. Nobody hacked the site. It was an open forum. All I did was follow the links provided to me by others, just like the link Howlin posted. One of the links I followed was posted on another site, by a banned FReeper and former member of Howlins group and another anti-FReeper group that Howlin was in.
|
|
||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
|
She left FR to pursue her new interests, but her FRiends missed her, so she came back. The thread died, but theres no indication that any of the members have changed their opinions or allegiance.
Even after the link was posted, and I was nowhere around, I continued to get flamed with demands to post it. Some of those demands came from members of the group.
Free Republic has a policy of not allowing us to post personal information about anyone without that persons permission (with few exceptions). Its a good policy. So Ive decided not to post the personal information of anyone who hasnt given their permission. Those who demanded I post it, will find their personal information intact. Any objections may be directed toward them.
I asked for a ruling from the Lead Moderator several days ago, in case they had a problem with me posting it. I still havent gotten a response, so I take that to mean they have no objection.
Ive had countless requests and demands to post this, and not a single request to not post it. So I dont want to hear any whining.
I didnt want to take the time to post this, but it seems thats the only evidence some people are willing to accept. Theyve demanded I post this. You can decide for yourselves if the things they said aboutTerri Schiavo and her supporters negate everything else they said there, making it not an anti-FReeper site, (as they claim); or if their negative comments about Free Republic, Jim, the FReepathon, FR donors, various FReepers (on various subjects), the budget, and the grifter constitute anti-FReeping (as I claim).
Compiling this post took a lot of time, which I have precious little of right now. But I dont want to get stuck with the reputation of liar that Howlin & Company earned. And besides, they asked so nicely.
Lesson for the day, kiddies: be careful what you ask for, and be even more careful what you demand.
1st of 6 posts.
To avoid filling up your comments page, this is the only one you will be pinged to.
The others follow on the same thread.
Doesn't look like an anti-Freeper site to me. Many Freepers were offended by the Schiavo debate, and especially by the utter lack of common decency in many of those threads-- soem of it from both sides.
Personal attacks, venomous nam-calling, it was all there. We lost a lot of good Freepers over that whole mess. There are some topics where a discussion forum is not going to change anyone's mind, and only hatred is going to be generated.
Both sides clearly see the other side as the enemy, and can't understand how the Moderators (or Jim Robinson) don't step in and NUKE every utterance that their opponents make, because it is so obvious to them. Well, JimRob and the moderators have a mighty tough row to hoe to keep the site from feeling censored, while at the same time maintaining civility.
I see nothing is this site you posted that is anything but frustration at the whole situation, and you are making a mountain out of a molehill IMHO.
there was no hacking. The web site was downloadable and it wasn't private when I saw it and clicked on it.
I'm not sure why I was pinged to this post but you certainly stooped to a new low. The site to which you refer was a refuge from the mind numbing antics of the Terri-bots.
Sadly, many good Freepers were offended and/or banned during that time. If I had my way FR would grant an amnesty for the people who left during that maddness ... mostly perpetrated by you and yours.
I'm not sure why you pinged me, I don't know anything about any site Howlin created.
I did manage to read all of it before some of it was deleted. I notice there was a lot there that did not have anything to do with the Schiavo threads. Interesting that Freepers would start another site or go to another site to bash FR activities and policies.
So I told Howlin that I knew about the anti-FReeper group she started. Its been common knowledge for at least a couple months. I cant believe I was the first one to mention it to her. But apparently I was. Her reaction was to call me a liar, deny the site existed, demand proof
Well, here are our first exchanges; point out where I denied the site existed and demanded proof?
It looks like to me I said go ahead.
Why should FloridaLivin learn a lesson? You never did.
I learned more than you realize. I know about the flame wars that you organize against FReepers. I know about the site you started for that purpose. I know about your attempts to sabatage FReepathons. I learned all kinds of things.
I see you didn't learn how to stop that lying you're so well noted for, huh?
Would you like me to post the link right here, for everyone to see?
Go right ahead.
I told you to go ahead and post it. You just cannot stop lying.
Its not like it was the first anti-FReeper site she was known to post at.
Why don't you link that one, too; want to go for broke? You don't have to post any posts; just name the site and link it.
You can't because there isn't one.
Howlin even posted a link to it. Thank you Howlin! Then someone told her that the link actually worked, and she went to yahoo to have the group removed.
Don't you see the ridiculousness of your own statement: if it WAS an anti-Freeper site, and I KNEW people could read it, why would I link it before YOU DID, dolt?
Ive had countless requests and demands to post this, and not a single request to not post it.
There is absolutely no way you could have "heard" from the posters you claim gave you permission to post their personal information and posts. Three of them have already contacted me and said that they absolutely NEVER gave you permission to use anything of theirs, nor did you even ask them.
And I read all you posted before it was removed; there was nothing in there that even remotely came close to your original accusation that I started an anti-Freeper site to ORGANIZE against other Freepers and sabatogue the Freepathons.
or if their negative comments about Free Republic, Jim, the FReepathon, FR donors, various FReepers (on various subjects), the budget, and the grifter constitute anti-FReeping (as I claim).
Well, your "claim" as about as credible as the rest of the stuff you've posted here. There was no talk of stuff like that on that site; you must be hanging out at other sites that post that crap.
But I dont want to get stuck with the reputation of liar that Howlin & Company earned.
Too late; everybody already knows you're a liar.
Lesson for the day, kiddies: be careful what you ask for, and be even more careful what you demand.
Lesson for today for you: you should be able to back up accusations you make or be proven a fool.
The reason we even started that site was that you PERSONALLY attacked Freepers on this forum who didn't agree with you, even when we came into the Smokey Back Room to post our own opinions about Terri Schaivo.
Not content with us not being on YOUR threads, you invaded those threads and made your basely and false accusations against everybody there.
Is there any wonder people wanted to get away from you?
Thanks for the posts though; you're proved exactly what I said in the second post to you: even your suspension haven't stopped your lying.
Under no circumstances should you ever, ever ping me. Nothing you have to say in this lifetime could interest me. You, trailed by your faithful personal butt-sniffer, yellowdoghunter, have nothing to say that I want to see.
Why exactly did you ping me to your post #1306?
I haven't posted to this thread, nor am I a part of some "Howlin cabal", which sets up flame wars off this site, or any other spurious claims that you have made in this post. And as far as "unprovoked flaming" is concerned, I've seen YOU do just that, over and over and over again here; this being just your latest rendition of same.
I haven't mad any "demands" on you, that you divulge what you have. I have no idea what you're talking about; however, you'd better NOT post anyone's real life names and E-mail addresses to this thread. That is NOT allowed here and is actionable.
Admin Mod...this person is threatening to post people's real names and E-mail addresses to this thread/on FR.
Lacking "Political Correctness", I would say - "Stop Your Cat Fight Now"!