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To: Miss Behave
I am curious as to his (as I see it a) change of heart of, I believe, true desire to tell the story of The Passion as you and I see him to have conveyed, versus his current, tru-ly displayed anti-semitism.

I wonder if all of the harmful and hateful accusations that were shoved down his throat of his "intentions" of his Passion portrayal sent him towards anti-semitism. Something apparently has, for him to release such a random, rank, seemingly heart-changed, damning rant...which (apparently) INCLUDED the bit about "owning Malibu," sugar mammaries, and "effing" the deputy.

I don't think that kind of hatred occurs overnight -- not unless something truly world-shattering happened. Despite the ruckus over the Passion, it was wildly successful, so I don't think that protests would have caused that kind of hatred.

I grew up Lutheran, and I have great admiration for the depth of passion Martin Luther had for the Lord. I was terribly disappointed to learn as an adult of the horribly anti-semitic things he wrote and said. I still believe Luther loved the Lord, but he also believed lies from the pit of hell. I'm sure he'll have to stand accountable for the hatred he helped feed -- but it didn't start with him, either.

It reminds me of a song from South Pacific (not my favorite song, not my favorite show, but applicable.)

You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!

494 posted on 08/01/2006 4:24:53 AM PDT by Chanticleer (Courage is not simply one of the virtues but the form of every virtue at the testing point. Lewis)
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To: Chanticleer
BTW, when you read Luther please make sure you differentiate between the two types of "Jews" he references.

First, there are the "Jews" one encounters in the Bible. Second, there are the "Jews" who seem for all the world like Roman Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals and popes (into such things as baptism, communion, confession).

Early Protestant reformers, to keep in the good graces of their political sponsors who were not as religiously sophisticated as they were, usually spoke of "Jews" when they meant members of the "Roman Catholic" hierarchy.

They weren't fooling anybody, but it did keep their necks out of the Prinz' noose.

There's much less of this sort of thing at the conclusion of the Thirty-Years War with the signing of the Treaty of Westphalia; October 24, 1648. In pertinent part this treaty states: "That there shall be on the one side and the other a perpetual Oblivion, Amnesty, or Pardon of all that has been committed since the beginning of these Troubles......."

Subsequently Louis XIV was free, within his primary domaine of France, to initiate the most brutal persecution ever seen of the Protestant Huguenots ~ without interference of any other party. America became, at this time, a place of refuge and sanctuary for Europeans dispossessed at Munster.

Things ran downhill from there and culminated in WWII.

504 posted on 08/01/2006 6:08:25 AM PDT by muawiyah (-/sarcasm)
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