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To: Jeff Gordon

Interesting that a day later and several hundreds of posts and the pro-evolution crowd continues with the ID/creation drumbeat. Please re-read the article - I'm only looking for a discussion regarding the assumptions and problems found in the related evolutionary theories.

The article is only proposing that an open and honest presentation of facts and lack thereof be taught in public schools. This is not meant to be a defense for ID/creation nor advocacy for same.

I think the best place to start would be with a complete definition of both the Darwinian and Evolution theories along with a complete overview of what these theories predict. Feel free to include proven, un-proven, and failed predictions.


854 posted on 07/28/2006 10:33:09 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels
I think the best place to start would be with a complete definition of both the Darwinian and Evolution theories along with a complete overview of what these theories predict. Feel free to include proven, un-proven, and failed predictions.

In light of this line from your profile page:

The more I've learned Biblically, the more I have come to accept fundamentalism (accepting God's Word as complete and true) which also means I believe in a YEC (Young Earth Creation).

lets start with the ideas of 1) an old earth and 2) no global flood at about 2350 BC. If either of these ideas can be shown to be incorrect then the theory of evolution has a problem (as do most other branches of science).

My guess is that you will find huge amounts of "evidence" for a young earth and a global flood, but won't be able to see the evidence for evolution.

858 posted on 07/28/2006 10:40:15 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: BrandtMichaels

OK. I'll start with this one. The postulate that natural selection operating on random genetic fluctuations produced all the organisms in the fossil record can never be tested rigorously, because most of the organisms are extinct, and there was no intelligent life to describe and analyze the process in (say) the Paleozoic. This means that Darwinian macroevolution (speciation) will forever remain unprovable by the standards normally used in most of physical science: experiments which can be replicated. Macroevolution is plausible, but not testable the way gravity, magnetism, quantum theory, etc. are. It's really incorrect to say that macroevolution is a fundamental piece of science, as are those theories, which must be learned by every little public school captive.
We now know much that Darwin didn't, including that many of the changes seen in the fossil record were probably driven by catastrophic extinction events, not by gradual change.
Now...how long till the flames and insults start?


904 posted on 07/28/2006 1:21:12 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: BrandtMichaels
I'm only looking for a discussion regarding the assumptions and problems found in the related evolutionary theories.

The only reason you want this "discussion" is because you want to substitue science with mysticism. I have no more need of proving evolution to you than I have of proving the value a human life to a Muslim or the value of walking to a snake.

963 posted on 07/28/2006 3:22:31 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Is tractus pro pensio.)
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