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To: betty boop; hosepipe
Dear betty boop, thanks so much for including me in your discussion. I love getting pings to your posts! I saw this quotation as applying very well to our hosepipe! (: -

"Truth is not a body of propositions about a world-immanent object; it is the world-transcendent summum bonum experienced as an orienting force in the soul, about which we can speak only in analogical symbols." [Eric Voegelin, in Order and History Vol. III]

On the discussion of truth and man's twisting of it in what is referred to as relativism, I had an interesting interchange with a post-abortive coworker yesterday.

She is always looking for opportunities to bring up her pro-abortion position and yesterday quoted to a third female coworker from an article in New Science magazine (I believe) that "ultrasound has now been proved to be harmful to babies" and should therefore be done away with.

Of course I see such comments as opportunities and I raised the point that perhaps New Science has a pro-abortion agenda and would like to see ultrasound technology abandoned so that expectant mothers who are considering abortion do not see their child in their womb.

And of course I was in turn accused of being paranoid and unscientific, of being out of the loop of the facts. When the post-abortive coworker again stated firmly that "this is being reported for the benefit of the babies, that they won't be harmed by ultrasound," I was blessed with words from On High to appeal to the sense of truth within her (within each one of us) - perhaps I wouldn't be remiss in calling it the "rules of logic" - which, unless a person's conscience has been truly seared and their heart forever hardened, does respond to absolute truth. She responded (by shutting up!) to these words:

"Think about this: they are saying that ultrasound hurts babies. At the very same time they are saying that abortion does not hurt babies. How can it be that abortion does not hurt babies but ultrasound does?"

1,706 posted on 09/02/2006 4:04:31 AM PDT by .30Carbine (May God Be The Glory)
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To: .30Carbine; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe
"Think about this: they are saying that ultrasound hurts babies. At the very same time they are saying that abortion does not hurt babies. How can it be that abortion does not hurt babies but ultrasound does?"

The beauty of Truth is it cuts through all the self-rationalizing B.S. Your post-abortive co-worker may be a ninny, but evidently she had enough good sense to just shut up when she heard the Truth.

I think you are right that there is hardly anyone so far gone that they do not hear the word of Truth when spoken. That is why it is so vitally needful to speak the word.

Truth is "logical" -- it is Logos. Everything depends on it. What your co-worker will do with what she has heard is up to her. Perhaps she will simply take your "gentle admonishment" as a reason to re-double the self-rationalizing/ideological behavior. But then again, maybe your words will have struck a chord and will give her a reason to "turn around." In any case, we ought to pray for her -- and for her innocent little child that never got a chance to live....

May God ever bless you, dear sister in Christ!

1,709 posted on 09/02/2006 8:53:37 AM PDT by betty boop (Character is destiny. -- Heraclitus)
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To: .30Carbine; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; cornelis; Whosoever
[ "Think about this: they are saying that ultrasound hurts babies. At the very same time they are saying that abortion does not hurt babies. How can it be that abortion does not hurt babies but ultrasound does?" ]

Ouch!.... that will leave a mark..

My Fetus, I mean my sister (now 50+ years old) is a seventh month preemie.. How many months before the seventh was she a baby?.. And how can she be a baby at 7( or 1 thru 6) and Not at 9.. Shut a few (mouths of seared conciences) up with that question myself..

But then, I believed a bit of nonsense when I was a Primate myself.. You know, back before I was born again and "evolved" into what a human is supposed to be..

1,710 posted on 09/02/2006 9:46:02 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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