[CarolinaGuitarman]

"I know and many other scientists know that creationism and ID are theories."

Not scientific ones.

"There's no question about it; you guys put specifics on your defintion of a theory is in order to try and discredit competing theories with your belief of toe."

There's no question that creationists try to rewrite the definitions used in science because creationism is not science by any definition of the term.

"It's similar to trying to define science as only dealing with the natural world."

Science cannot study anything but the natural world. It is simply incapable of studying untestable claims.

"There are so many other scientific studies of the supernatural and so much evidence for creationism. "

Not surprising that a belief in creationism is easily combined with a belief in *paranormal* studies. Both require an absence of rational ability.

"Toe also has never been falisfied;"

And that's a good thing for the ToE. Why would it be good for a theory to be falsified?

"I think it's fairly obvious that if the multitude of life forms morphed slowly over millions of years into different types that the fossils would show that in large numbers."

They do show just that.

[MHGinTN]

"Both require an absence of rational ability." Hyperbole ... there are scientists studying what you call paranormal occurrences, and they are studying the events using good tools of measurement and collection while applying scientific principles. What they discover, if they discover a causality, will be within the confines of the universe we can measure else they would be metaphysical.

There are of course charlatans also playing around in the areas of paranormal phenomena. It isn't fair to accuse scientists involved in studying paranormal occurrences of not being rational or not applying rational abilities.

[fabian]

It's hard to debate with someone who doesn't even understand the true definition of science. Please open your mind just a little and check out webster's dictionary. It includes alot more than just the natural world. And if the fossils showed true transitionals slowly transforming the debate would have been over long ago. But as alot of scientists who once believed in evolution have discovered, that's just not the case. I think you are missing out on alot of neat things because for some reason you have a prejudice against creationism and maybe God. I'm not saying that I am at peace with Him myself, but His evidence is convincing of alot of things.