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To: Alamo-Girl; tortoise; betty boop; cornelis
[ Of course it doesn't help those who are not listening to, or cannot hear, the Witnesses. ]

How conveniently did the turtle remove itself from the observer dichotomy... Evidentially there are mini views of observer status and maxi views.. Whether mini or maxi the observer remains the observer and not the source..

It takes, I think, humility to see you're merely an observer.. observing things most of which you will never understand.. because you're observing with flawed or sub standard equipment.. which is the point.. What you are observeing mostly (or want to observe) is hidden from you..

Dark energy/matter as an example.. Awareness what is that?.. Rocks don't have awareness.. Dead bodies(dna) don't have awareness.. Even living bodies have degrees of awareness.. I calls it spirit.. My experience to date is awareness is the degree of gratitude you have.. More awareness more gratitude, less awareness less gratitude.. And somehow gratitude has joy as a secondary reaction..

What you observe effects you're gratitude and joy in some way.. and thats intelligent.. The lack of gratitude and joy is a lack of intelligence.. being a witness of gratitude and joy in others makes one think.. but its not intelligence.. If what you're observeing does not bring gratitude and joy, therefore awareness, what you're observeing is stupid.. Sad to say many are stuck on stupid.. Could be the very test humans are put on this earth to accomplish.. and will too..

Why?... Dunno.. maybe some future event requiring much gratitude and joy.. i.e. awareness/intelligence.. If so what a plan.. A plan to separate the aware from the unaware.. Now thats evolution.. Survival of the most aware..

1,539 posted on 08/02/2006 9:59:33 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe
Why?... Dunno.. maybe some future event requiring much gratitude and joy.. i.e. awareness/intelligence.. If so what a plan.. A plan to separate the aware from the unaware.. Now thats evolution.. Survival of the most aware..

What a fascinating conjecture, hosepipe! It certainly 'goes to' the subject of the observer problem.

Thank you so very much!

1,541 posted on 08/02/2006 10:30:31 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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Rocks don't have awareness

What a beautiful post, hosepipe! The sentence above reminds me that Jesus said as He entered Jerusalem that the rocks would cry out if those who were His disciples refused to praise! So let's keep praising Him!

And it came to pass, when He drew near to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mountain called Olivet, that He sent two of His disciples, saying, “Go into the village opposite you, where as you enter you will find a colt tied, on which no one has ever sat. Loose it and bring it here. And if anyone asks you, ‘Why are you loosing it?’ thus you shall say to him, ‘Because the Lord has need of it.’”

So those who were sent went their way and found it just as He had said to them. But as they were loosing the colt, the owners of it said to them, “Why are you loosing the colt?”

And they said, “The Lord has need of him.” Then they brought him to Jesus. And they threw their own clothes on the colt, and they set Jesus on him. And as He went, many spread their clothes on the road.

Then, as He was now drawing near the descent of the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works they had seen, saying:

“‘Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the LORD!’

Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!”

And some of the Pharisees called to Him from the crowd, “Teacher, rebuke Your disciples.”

But He answered and said to them, “I tell you that if these should keep silent, the stones would immediately cry out.”
Luke 19:29-40

The witness of John who baptised comes to mind as well, for he said to the "upstanding citizens" of his day,

Then he said to the multitudes that came out to be baptized by him, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, and do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones!"
Luke 3:7-8

Jesus is a Rock in a weary land! My Fortress and my Rock, in Him I trust! By Him were all things made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made! He is the Power holding all in place and everything that is is made to bring Him honor and praise! Let the earth rejoice and the mountains skip like rams! Let the trees clap their hands and the people who know their King dance for joy!
1,552 posted on 08/03/2006 2:19:17 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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