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To: tomzz; Religion Moderator
I'm not quoting anybody, outside of context or in; all I did was post a picture.

You posted this. Second, last summer, scientists had to break a tyranosaur bone in half to get it out of a remote area by helicopter, and here is what they found inside the bone, i.e. this is what tyranosaur meat looks like:

It's crap. They deliberately broke open the femur, not to get it into a helicopter, but in a laboratory. They then chemically demineralized it with EDTA for a week to remove the bone. They then shot it under a microscope; the scale marks, which the science paper includes and your picture oddly lacks, show the speciments are 2 - 3 mm in dimension; they're tiny fragments of demineralized bone, not 'tyrannosaur meat'.

What is even more interesting is that somebody has been fraudulently manipulating the images you posted. All three are missing the region of the picture where the scale mark was. Somebody trimmed the pictures to remove the scale, so as to deceive the viewer to think they are larger than they are.

That's what Schweitzer means by 'they...manipulate your data'. What you posted is fraud.

Here's the image from the Science paper.

Note to Religion Moderator. It is OK to use the word 'fraud' in the religion forum?

227 posted on 06/09/2006 3:26:34 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (...I'm dancin' right there with you, Iraqis.)
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To: Right Wing Professor; tomzz
I think a crucial difference is in these passages:

Version 1: ... scientists had to break a tyranosaur bone in half to get it out of a remote area by helicopter, and here is what they found inside the bone...

Version 2: They then chemically demineralized it with EDTA for a week to remove the bone.

Version One, taken at face value, would be evidence for a young bone. But take it at face value is just what you can't do with a crackpot claim.

229 posted on 06/09/2006 3:34:14 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: Right Wing Professor
That's what Schweitzer means by 'they...manipulate your data'. What you posted is fraud.

I remember reading several accounts of the story at the time and there were no descripancies in the details from one version to the next. What I'd suggest you do is to read the account at that url I posted:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7285683/

and then sue Bill Gates, MSNBC, and Reuters for fraud if you care to. Again, here's some of what they say:

WASHINGTON - A 70-million-year-old Tyrannosaurus rex fossil dug out of a hunk of sandstone has yielded soft tissue, including blood vessels and perhaps even whole cells, U.S. researchers reported on Thursday.

Paleontologists forced to break the creature's massive thighbone to get it on a helicopter found not a solid piece of fossilized bone, but instead something looking a bit less like a rock.

When they got it into a lab and chemically removed the hard minerals, they found what looked like blood vessels, bone cells and perhaps even blood cells.

"They are transparent, they are flexible," said Mary Higby Schweitzer of North Carolina State University and Montana State University, who conducted the study.

She said the vessels were flexible and in some cases their contents could be squeezed out.

"The microstructures that look like cells are preserved in every way," added Schweitzer, whose findings were published in the journal Science.

"Preservation of this extent, where you still have this flexibility and transparency, has never been seen in a dinosaur before." Feathers, hair and fossilized egg contents yes, but not truly soft tissue...


233 posted on 06/09/2006 3:49:27 PM PDT by tomzz
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To: Right Wing Professor
Note to Religion Moderator. It is OK to use the word 'fraud' in the religion forum?

It is acceptable to call the author of an article a fraud (as long as the author isn't a Freeper).

It is acceptable to call a belief system fraudulent or a lie.

It is NOT acceptable to call another Freeper a fraud, liar, etc. anywhere on the Religion Forum.

362 posted on 06/09/2006 8:38:08 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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