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Since your comments were directed largely at me, let me add a couple of points.

I am sorry about your grandfather and I realize you are upset about this as some of us on this thread have been about our own losses. Nothing unnatural about this, nothing involving "death culture" or "death lovers".

You will not be able to redefine our discussions as a debate between those for and those against what happened to Terri. I stated it a couple times earlier. That is not a debate any more than a fair debate between a priest and a devil. It is defense against an attack.

If you were to pursue this topic in depth, and it would probably not be good timing for you considering the passing of your grandfather, you would find the subject much more basic, a clash of good and evil on a very fundamental basis.

The Legacy of Terri is a flagship case, brought about by dark motives many years ago and perpetuated by a portion of our humanity which truly embraces death and dying above all other things that matter to them. Its origin is in the far distant past and was fought by people of good will ever since. We use the example of the White Rose, some who have led the way in Nazi Germany with challenges, fatal to themselves, against the regime itself.

Quite a few of the regular posters here were actually at the scene as events unfolded, so more than kibbitzers, we were actively witnessing the events unfolding. On scene, all sides (and it was overwhelmingly skewed to those of good will) recognized this epic battle, that of decent people fending off a whole gaggle of dark forces, those who would mold us in America according to the patterns of Hitler's Germany. Their emissaries became vocal spokespeople, like recently departed Dr. Death. They attacked us on every front, with the media, with propaganda, with slogans eagerly lapped up by the more compliant and less informed. We fought back with exposure to the facts, to the evidence.

Nor does it matter to our efforts which faith you may bring to this forum. All we could imagine were represented in this clash, including atheists and wiccans, on our side against this Mengele/Kervorkian march to State sponsored death. Especially we who are Christians witnessed the amazing parallel of events unfolding in lockstep to Holy Week and Easter, with Terri's death followed immediately by her champion in the Catholic faith, the Pope himself.

If you listen thoroughly to the audio, and I realize it takes patience, and if you remove preconceptions, realizing those discussing, are not just rattling off mantras like our adversaries use, you will glimpse what happened to the murder of Terri.

If you acquire a source book such as the one I commended to you, that of Cheryl Ford, you will see hard evidence of a crime and justice unrequited. I will be posting more from Cheryl Ford today.

T'wit was telling you that many here have looked into this deeply and despite emotional accusations projected by our detractors that we are emotional, we have looked the evidence over through and through and have poked holes in any that did not past muster, so we know what happened, more than just opinion.

Your entry into the forum was aggressive, accusative, and touching of sarcasm. That makes us shy away from embracing a cactus. This is the way of real trolls, who have nothing in their hardened hearts to reach, so naturally, we are wary of such initial appearances. But Charity is held here in high esteem and if you truly want to learn, we are glad to help you past your own emotions to the realities of this epic battle.

Our threads aren't about keeping people alive at all costs as the detractors like to claim, we are not against people passing in a natural way, as it appears happened to your grandfather. We are against an organized effort to remove our options with sanctions of the State, to kill us whether any of us like it or not. That is our fight, that is the Legacy of Terri.

It is a real fight. Look at our recent links, look at the others like Andrea Clark. If we acquiesce like sheep, we will be like the victims of Hitler's Germany once again.

That is the "death culture". Those are the "death lovers". Our "movement" is simply of people of good will against those who advocate the power to have us killed.

From Sophie Scholl, martyred by Hitler's Germany to their culture of death, "We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest."

Grandfather of killjoy, Requiescant in Pace

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My initial comment on this thread was made because of generally being sick of listening to comments about this case. There was a time on FR that it was impossible to have any thread at all without someone trying to hijack it within the first few posts. It is very similar to all the thread hijacking taking place now because of illegal immigration. In my eyes, the thread hijacking is completely destroying FR and making the site look like it is populated by a bunch of paranoid freaks.

That said, I decided to actually look into this case for the first time. After making requests on this thread for any pointers to an intelligent debate on this topic, nobody was able to send me any. I just went and read through some of the court cases related to it.

Since I know it will only start up a flame fest, I don't know if I should post my thoughts or not. In short, I think there are a lot of people on both sides of this issue that have way too much involved in the way of agenda. Money being one of the highest on the list.