Terri's Day and nation's independence protects life culture

Renew America ^ | May 29, 2006 | Kevin Fobbs

[8mmMauser]

I take your comments in proper vein and extend a welcome. It looks obvious however, you came not of your own volition but as someone brought in to help out a friend. Am I right?

If so, well, that is fine, but you have lots of catching up to do to gain credibility. What we are about here is a heavy background in carrying on pro-life battles. We counter those who are against pro-life or try to disrupt.

We are against state sponsored murder and the forces of evil who seek to control our lives from embryo to when they decide we are to die. This is what we faced at Pinellas Park when a husband and his allies in a culture of death fought and succeeded in killing an innocent by a means so cruel that if done to an animal the world would be outraged. If you read the history through our threads past you would find a huge volume of facts and evidence to balance the raw propaganda put out by the left and their allies in the media, those who hearken to the dark side.

As you will soon see, this is not all about Terri but the legacy she left behind. In that Legacy we find others, as I posted today, under the shadow of euthanasia at the hands of our own government. We work to save such victims and have succeeded at times. If you are not aware that these things are happening here and elsewhere as they did in Hitler's Germany, it is time to become informed.

Seek the truth and you will find it in our threads. Otherwise, swallow the popular notions from the newspapers and TV and you can get it at the Kool Aid stand on the corner.

Our own allies who fought with us to prevent such injustices represent most all faiths, Catholics, Presbyterians, other born-agains and fundamentalists, Jews, people of good will. On scene, we saw the epic battle of good versus evil unfold in parallel with the Easter season. We all chose our sides most all on the side of good and the rest chose their own masters. Those who chose the other side are those who love death, those who are anti-life, those who chose the material world of man.

So when an interloper comes online, hitting the ground with angry assaults and intent to disrupt and to pelt us with verses from no matter where, we stand our ground. Our symbol is the White Rose. You should learn about its origin.

We find it unreasonable to tolerate such behavior, more so when it is in the name of Christianity.

We are pro life. FreeRepublic is pro life. We hope you are too.

It is good to support a friend, but when the friend is plain off base, it is a bad start for you to begin your stay on such threads. Taste your words before you speak and be aware of the company you have joined. Robert Burns made the point: O wad some Power the giftie gie us To see oursels as ithers see us! It wad frae monie a blunder free us, An' foolish notion:

[TacticalFlashlight]

Why, yes, I just joined today; I believe I alluded to that upthread. You are mistaken in saying I am "trying to argue" anything. What I am -trying- to do is decipher the cryptic and tangential posts you keep addressing to me. You seem to be -trying- to make a point, but what it might be is quite unclear.

I would welcome a discussion with you and the other posters, if you can be a little clearer and stay on point.

[8mmMauser]

Reminder of the White Rose...

"We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest."

[8mmMauser]

If I may suggest, you will get much further if you do not attempt to condescend to people vastly more knowledgable than yourself. It flouts any image you may hope to convey.

We are glad to help newcomers but it is difficult to help those who snap at us when we offer. Sarcasm will not get you far.

[TacticalFlashlight]

It looks obvious however, you came not of your own volition but as someone brought in to help out a friend. Am I right?

No, I am afraid you are mistaken. I do not know pageonetoo, if that is the "friend" to whom you are referring. I have been quietly reading these threads for nearly a year now, and was spurred to action by the rudeness and hostility with which a well-meaning poster was treated.

If you read the history through our threads past you would find a huge volume of facts and evidence to balance the raw propaganda put out by the left and their allies in the media, those who hearken to the dark side.

As I said, I have been reading these threads for some time, and also a great deal of information at various other sites around the Net, both from the left and from the right. I have seen facts, distortions, wishful thinking, and outright lies repeated again and again. I have the background information necessary to discuss these matters. Are you willing to do so with me, without name-calling and attacks?

[pageonetoo]

No apology necessary. I gave up on these folk. Good intentions can pave a road straight to hell. I appreciate your sentiment.

I have been reviled, but really don't pay much attention to it. I will continue to trust God to sort things out.

It's a shame that so much attention is paid to this issue, while all around us people are dying by the minute. I am one of those old-fashioned guys that actually believes all that stuff written between the pages. My father is a retire Episcopal Prist who thinks their was a drought when Moses came out of Egypt. I believe Moses staff writhed!

It is so easy to get caught up in the temporal world, watching all the violence and nasty behavior. The simplest response is to sign a petition, or complain. God did not make that a priority, when He died on the Cross!

[8mmMauser]

If you have read both sides and still find it equivocal and if you still find the need to defend the dark side, I commend to you these passages from Proverbs. They describe those who come here to disrupt.

Proverbs definition: Fools (and Trolls)

You have not come on to these threads as anyone who wants to discuss. Your tone is set in an all too familiar pattern we have seen many times. It is a waste for whomever you represent because it will show you for what you are and will bump our thread for more to see. I say this because we have discussed ad nausium and it is a counter between facts and evidence and personal knowledge on one side and attempts to disrupt with tired and disproven mantras all in the pseudo-name of "discussion." We have heard it all and I will not be drawn into your logic trap. Others may wish to take you on.

If you have signed on just to disrupt, then you will be unmasked. If you are one of good will, I hope to see it real soon.

[bjs1779]

It's a shame that so much attention is paid to this issue, while all around us people are dying by the minute.

Then why do you pay so much attention to it? Don't you know people are dying by the minute and here you are wasting time complaining.

[pageonetoo]

here you are wasting time complaining.

Not really. I have told a great many people about the saving power in Jesus name. Do you know Him?

I note you still have said nothing to reject the content of my posts, except maybe you have made clear your feelings being hurt. That seems your problem.

Go back and follow the Scriptures I posted, and figure out why I used them! I hope you will come to know Him better.

[bjs1779]

I asked you a real simple question which was: "Then why do you pay so much attention to it?"?

Why don't you answer it?

[pageonetoo]

Because you fail to answer mine. Please discontinue pinging me with this incessant drivel you spout. I thought I was dealing with Christians. I find am dealing with a lot of religious people!

[bjs1779]

Please discontinue pinging me with this incessant drivel you spout.

I will put it this way. If you post here you are susceptible to posts by me. Copy?

[8mmMauser]

By me, too...

I am a religious person.

[pageonetoo]

Pharissee?

[bjs1779]

Pharissee?

Trollissee?

[8mmMauser]

Remember I said haters call people they hate haters? That is called projection. You should learn that word.

Read my post above to the Proverbs verses or I can start quoting them if you prefer.

Fools (and Trolls)

This is why I will not engage you in your attempts to aggravate in the name of "discussion".

[TacticalFlashlight]

If I may suggest, you will get much further if you do not attempt to condescend to people vastly more knowledgable than yourself. It flouts any image you may hope to convey.

Thanks for the suggestion. I rarely condescend to people, and when I do, it is never to one more knowledgeable than I. So while I appreciate the advice, I fear it is misplaced. :)

[TacticalFlashlight]

I applaud your faith. I agree, it is too easy to become ensnared in samsara, the Buddhist term for birth and death. While one should do good where one can, the ultimate goal is not here.

[supercat]

As I said, I have been reading these threads for some time, and also a great deal of information at various other sites around the Net, both from the left and from the right. I have seen facts, distortions, wishful thinking, and outright lies repeated again and again. I have the background information necessary to discuss these matters. Are you willing to do so with me, without name-calling and attacks?

As with any unfiltered source of information, there is bound to be some incorrect information, some of it posted by well-meaning but misinformed people. Nonetheless, there are enough facts that are, so far as I can tell, beyond dispute that there is very little room if any for well-informed people to believe that the actions of Michael Schiavo, George Felos, and Judge George Greer were proper.

Tell me with which of the following you disagree:

1. Michael Schiavo changes his story so many times about so many things that there is no reason to regard anything he says as having any credibility.
2. Michael's lawyer George Felos wrote a book in which he claimed to be able to read others' desires; he must thus be either a psychic, a narcissicist, or a liar.
3. No reasonable judge could find on the basis of the testimony of Scott Schiavo that Terri had expressed a desire to be fatally dehydrated, and that such expression was made with the intention of such dehydration actually being carried out.
4. It's doubtful that a reasonable judge could have found Joan Schiavo's claim of being Terri's "best friend" credible, given that Joan had never seen Terri since she had the feeding tube nor talked to anyone about Terri's supposed "wishes" until seven years after Terri's "collapse". If Joan's claim of being "best friend" was false, nothing she says is credible.
5. The only plausible way Joan Schiavo's claim to be Terri's "best friend" would not be completely inconsistent with her behavior would be if she did not think Terri had any particularly desire not to live if incapacitated. If that's the case, however, then Joan could not meaningfully testify to Terri's having such a desire.
6. A proper diagnosis of PVS takes hours or days of examination of a patient by a doctor or an assistant observer operating under specific orders from the doctor.
7. None of the doctors who testified that Terri was PVS had done what was necessary to make such a diagnosis.

I could go on, but there really doesn't seem to be much room to argue that the actions of Michael et al. were proper unless the above points can be refuted.

[TacticalFlashlight]

I don't believe I have outlined my position on this matter. I do not defend any "dark side". I have made a good faith offer to discuss with you, which you have rejected. Just out of curiosity, what would constitute evidence of my being "one of good will" for you?