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To: curiosity
Using dishonest tactics to bash Christianity is really not a good strategy, unless you're a troll.

Well you can check and see if I'm a troll. You might want to reread the thread and see who started bashing scientists a atheist and Nazis. I didn't quote mine. I included all of what Hitler thought in Mien Kampf. He proclaimed himself Christian and now later Christians want to judge him according to todays thought.

338 posted on 05/12/2006 7:05:35 PM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: jec41; curiosity; Skooz
Let's nitpick:

Hitler was baptized in a Catholic church, he never renounced Catholicism, never converted to another faith, and was never excommunicated.

I may be wrong, but I think that qualifies as a Catholic under canon law.
339 posted on 05/12/2006 7:12:29 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: jec41
Well you can check and see if I'm a troll.

You normally aren't but you're acting like one here.

You might want to reread the thread and see who started bashing scientists a atheist and Nazis.

I know, the creationists started by associating Darwin with Hitler. That doesn't mean you have to use similar tactics, dishonestly associating Hitler with Christianity. You are probably more educated that most creationists, so you should know better.

I didn't quote mine. I included all of what Hitler thought in Mien Kampf.

You selectively chose quotes that were meant for propaganda purposes and passed them off as if they somehow represented his true feelings, ignoring the masses of nasty things Hitler said about Christianity in private.

Mien Kampf, BTW, was published and intended for public consumption. Anyone in Germany could pick up a copy, and millions did.

He proclaimed himself Christian and now later Christians want to judge him according to todays thought.

He only pretended to be a Christian in public. However, an examination of his religious beliefs clearly reveals that he greatly disdained traditional Christianity. He expressed particular contempt for Catholicism, the Church to which he supposedly belonged.

Hitler was not a Christian even by the standards of most Christians of Germany in his time.

I'll leave you with a Hitler quote recorded by Albert Speer, his architect and close friend:

“You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?" (Inside the Third Reich, p. 143)

357 posted on 05/12/2006 7:38:36 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: jec41
He proclaimed himself Christian and now later Christians want to judge him according to todays thought.

The life of anyone who claims to be a Christian should compared to Scripture to see if it matches up, not the current thinking of the day. That's the standard. Jesus was pretty precise in what characteristics His disciples should display, the major one of which is love. While it is not possible to know the heart of any man, if someone like Hitler claims to be a Christian and does the things that Hitler did, it can be a pretty good bet he wasn't. Talk is cheap. It doesn't mean anything if there's not the life to back it up and true faith will produce that life.

451 posted on 05/12/2006 9:40:14 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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