[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Again, the initial features that develop and subsequently compete ARE random (mutations are, by definition, random). Just because the process that takes place AFTER those features develop is not random does not make the over all process non-random."

I didn't say there were no random elements involved. Certainly there are. But the selection process itself is not random.

[newguy357]

But the selection process itself is not random.

And I haven't said otherwise. Fill a bucket full of red and green jelly beans at random. Now select five. Repeat this experiment a thousand times, always filling the bucket at random. The selection process is not random (always "select five" or in the case of evolution "select that which reproduces most") yet the overall result is still random because you're beginning with a random distribution.