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Evolution's bottom line
National Center for Science Education ^ | 12 May 2006 | Staff

Posted on 05/12/2006 12:13:47 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

In his op-ed "Evolution's bottom line," published in The New York Times (May 12, 2006), Holden Thorp emphasizes the practical applications of evolution, writing, "creationism has no commercial application. Evolution does," and citing several specific examples.

In places where evolution education is undermined, he argues, it isn't only students who will be the poorer for it: "Will Mom or Dad Scientist want to live somewhere where their children are less likely to learn evolution?" He concludes, "Where science gets done is where wealth gets created, so places that decide to put stickers on their textbooks or change the definition of science have decided, perhaps unknowingly, not to go to the innovation party of the future. Maybe that's fine for the grownups who'd rather stay home, but it seems like a raw deal for the 14-year-old girl in Topeka who might have gone on to find a cure for resistant infections if only she had been taught evolution in high school."

Thorp is chairman of the chemistry department at the University of North Carolina.


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To: jec41

If you are able to find and post a scholarly peer-reviewed work by a legitimate historian that makes your case, please do so.


281 posted on 05/12/2006 4:54:13 PM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: Skooz
If you are able to find and post a scholarly peer-reviewed work by a legitimate historian that makes your case,

Read Hitler's work Mien Kamp, he made the case quite clear.

282 posted on 05/12/2006 4:55:50 PM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: hosepipe
So then; most/many churches are NOT businesses?..
How many empolyees do American churches have?..
How big are their payrolls?..

So then; most/many telemarketers are NOT businesses?..
How many employees do American telemartketers have?..
How big are their payrolls?..

283 posted on 05/12/2006 4:56:23 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Natural Selection is the Free Market : Intelligent Design is the Centrally Planned Economy)
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To: jec41

Since you you are not able to find and post a scholarly peer-reviewed work by a legitimate historian that makes your case, and you refuse to read the evidence on the links I posted, we can just call it a night.

Good night.


284 posted on 05/12/2006 4:57:16 PM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: Junior
To put it succinctly, evolution sells commercial applications; religion sells hope.

Churches are like casinos, except not nearly as well regulated.

285 posted on 05/12/2006 5:00:26 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Natural Selection is the Free Market : Intelligent Design is the Centrally Planned Economy)
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To: aimhigh
Then it is indeed fortunate that in most of the areas the German armoies conquered, evangelical preachers were rather scarce.
286 posted on 05/12/2006 5:07:18 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Natural Selection is the Free Market : Intelligent Design is the Centrally Planned Economy)
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To: PatrickHenry

You're frickin' adicted, aren't you?


287 posted on 05/12/2006 5:09:16 PM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Regarding your post #277...boy you have that right...some of these TV evangelists, live high off the hog, with all the money they 'take' from their viewers...of course, those viewers seem to willingly give of their money, so there is not accounting for just being plain gullible...


288 posted on 05/12/2006 5:09:43 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: andysandmikesmom; mlc9852
Replying to Post 246: No matter what idea comes along, there will be good folks and bad folks using that idea....the notion that the validity of an idea, is weighed by what kinds of folks gravitate to that idea is pure nonsense. If this notion were true, I suspect no ideas would have any validity....evil, bad people can take any idea, no matter what it is, and use if for bad and evil purposes...and the opposite is also true...good, well meaning people can take any idea, and use it for good and well meaning purposes... I truly don't understand people who use this line of reasoning...its just lazy.

You post with wonderful clarity. If we were to consider mlc9852, he "knows god for all of us", "he knows" who he hates, the whole of Truth, Beauty, and Love, and he will tell us mere mortals what is true. Who he hates is pretty clear.

I am not ready to accept a claim from believers that they know "God's Will" unless they provide God's email address. I suspect that claimants want to wrap 'godliness' around themselves for personal benefit and social/political advantage.

So many scoundrels with tax-exempt agendas have used religion to promote their self interests. Follow the money.

289 posted on 05/12/2006 5:09:52 PM PDT by thomaswest (Just curious)
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To: Junior

I can quit any time I want. Really. I'm sure of it.


290 posted on 05/12/2006 5:14:41 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: jec41

Hitler may call himself a Christian, and an agent of the Creator, but I still can't find one word in the New Testament that teaches Jew hatred as a matter of doctrine. In fact, Romans 11 says the exact opposite, that "God has not cast away his people".

That the Catholic Church hates Jews is no secret. "Love your enemies" is Christianity, "wipe them out" is Satanism or Atheism.

Neither Hitler nor the Catholic Church have the market cornered on making stuff up in the name of Christianity or Jesus Christ.

Again, have a great day fellow Freeper.


291 posted on 05/12/2006 5:15:17 PM PDT by ROTB
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To: conserv371
God offers eternal life as a free gift.

And yet His self-proclaimed mouthpieces still pass the collection plate. Go figure.

292 posted on 05/12/2006 5:17:47 PM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: ROTB
That the Catholic Church hates Jews is no secret.

And you can document this, I assume??????

293 posted on 05/12/2006 5:18:46 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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Catholicism=Satanism or Atheism Placemarker. And Have A Great Day.


294 posted on 05/12/2006 5:20:46 PM PDT by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads.)
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To: Coyoteman

Let's see. The list of Jew hating denominations includes Catholics, Lutherans, Presbyterians (PCUSA)...

Looks bad.


295 posted on 05/12/2006 5:20:54 PM PDT by js1138
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To: thomaswest

Thanks for your kind words...

You made me laugh, with your reference to having Gods email address..that was a great line...and indeed a true line...

What you say is so true...many come on here, and claim that the Bible says, this and that...they are so sure that they, and only they know what the Bible says...what they seem to have a terrible time admitting to anyone, including themselves, is that what they believe the Bible is saying, is their own personal 'interpretation'....they do take offense at that word 'interpretation'...its as if, they really do think they are speaking for God...and of course, thats utter nonsense...

Those of us who read the Bible, who do have a relationship with Jesus Christ in our personal life, can read the very same Bible, and can come away with a totally different idea than someone else...of course that explains all the different flavors of Christianity...and explains all the various different very strong disagreements that occur right here on FR, on the religious threads...

No one on these threads, and I mean, absolutely no one, speaks for God, and knows Gods mind, and knows God with 100% complete accuracy...we are all trying to the best that we can...and when we read the Bible, we all come to the Bible, with our own life experiences, our own biases, and our own insight....and how we read and interpret what we read from the Bible, is influenced by these experiences, biases and insights...its a very human characteristic...


296 posted on 05/12/2006 5:22:05 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: Virginia-American
Self-professed? What other kind of atheist is there?

Accused as atheits, such as Judge John Jones Jr

297 posted on 05/12/2006 5:26:43 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Natural Selection is the Free Market : Intelligent Design is the Centrally Planned Economy)
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To: thomaswest

"I am not ready to accept a claim from believers that they know "God's Will" unless they provide God's email address. I suspect that claimants want to wrap 'godliness' around themselves for personal benefit and social/political advantage."

I always think its funny that God always agrees with the opinions of his worshipers :). Have you ever heard from a religious person who thinks God disagrees with their belief system?


298 posted on 05/12/2006 5:43:01 PM PDT by cccp_hater (Just the facts please)
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To: mlc9852
That's the religion that says kill the infidels, right?

Do you recall the episode of Three's Company where there was a misunderstanding?

299 posted on 05/12/2006 5:45:32 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Natural Selection is the Free Market : Intelligent Design is the Centrally Planned Economy)
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300


300 posted on 05/12/2006 5:45:49 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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