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'Darwin's finches' revert to type
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| May 4, 2006
Posted on 05/08/2006 1:17:07 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
The only answer is for human beings to exterminate themselves so that large-beaked finches may survive and flourish. Finally, the correct answer ;-)
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posted on
05/09/2006 5:08:34 AM PDT
by
Aquinasfan
(When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
To: connectthedots
This has actually been observed; or is it speculation?You YE-ers need to have a convention, get together, and decide what you really believe. It's difficult to have a conversation with a creationist without first going over the ground rules--speciation or not? 6000 years or 20000? Genome information addition allowed or forbidden?
The majority of YE creationists believe that speciation has occurred, so they would accept common ancestry for the finches on this island.
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posted on
05/09/2006 5:09:23 AM PDT
by
ahayes
(Yes, I have a devious plot. No, you may not know what it is.)
To: mlc9852
But but, natural selection evolution is "directionless"! There is no up or down. Or left or right. It is "whatever".
It is patently unscientific to say that something "devolved". It has no meaning.
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posted on
05/09/2006 5:12:30 AM PDT
by
bvw
To: bvw
"It is patently unscientific to say that something "devolved". It has no meaning."
And the finches didn't *devolve*.
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posted on
05/09/2006 5:14:20 AM PDT
by
CarolinaGuitarman
("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
To: DBrow
So in Darwinian theory, if a species moved all the way to a single-cell blob from a complex finch, that would not be de-evolution, just evolution from one state to another.
Exactly, the only direction of evolution is survival. It has no care for the ideals of 'progress' or complexity. What survives over a long period is what was fittest for the environment.
To: DarkSavant
Then why don't all species evolve for survival? Why are there extinctions at all? Shouldn't evolution prevent extinction?
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posted on
05/09/2006 5:32:59 AM PDT
by
mlc9852
To: geopyg
Yet both are evidence that evolution takes place.
To: mlc9852
"Then why don't all species evolve for survival? Why are there extinctions at all? Shouldn't evolution prevent extinction?"
Because the variation that natural selection has to work on is not infinite, or even close to infinite. If the environment changes in a detrimental way, and the needed variation just doesn't exist in the population, the population will crash/go extinct.
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posted on
05/09/2006 5:54:51 AM PDT
by
CarolinaGuitarman
("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
To: mlc9852
Strangely enough, Darwin did not create finches. I know, it's hard to believe since after all, he is a God!
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posted on
05/09/2006 5:57:57 AM PDT
by
Doc Savage
(Of all these things you can be sure, only love...will endure.......................)
To: Doc Savage
"he is a God!"
Not to me he isn't. Anyway, he's dead now.:)
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posted on
05/09/2006 5:59:02 AM PDT
by
mlc9852
To: geopyg
I believe it's far beyond reasonable dispute that natural selection plays an important role in how animal species develop over time to better fit environmental niches. An important role, not the decisive role. This apparent reversibility is evidence that some other agent or factor plays the decisive role in selecting the fixed changes that separate the species from one another.
At the same time, it seems entirely unwieldy and unreasonable to posit that ad hoc divine intervention or intelligent design is the decisive factor.
There are other possibilities but the exalted priesthood of Darwin, preaching its atheism-based faith claims ex cathedra from the public schools and court rooms of this nation, has effectively hijacked the power of the state to stifle honest inquiry and science.
Thus, the study of life on this planet remains mired in late 19th Century thinking of a mechanistic clockwork nature.
Someday biological sciences will have to honestly seek to understand the role of intelligence (especially the most neglected component: the context of the observer/interpreter) and make space for information theory in the paradigm of evolution. Great 20th Century minds, including those of Schroedinger and Shannon, have defined a path of inquiry that Darwinists refuse to walk for fear of losing their religion and the power to force it on the rest of us.
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posted on
05/09/2006 5:59:33 AM PDT
by
JCEccles
(Kitzmiller Syndrome: anger and paranoia that someone is harboring critical thoughts about Darwinism.)
To: Right Wing Professor; CarolinaGuitarman; PatrickHenry; betty boop
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posted on
05/09/2006 6:11:23 AM PDT
by
JCEccles
(Kitzmiller Syndrome: anger and paranoia that someone is harboring critical thoughts about Darwinism.)
Most Dramatic Post Today Placemarker
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posted on
05/09/2006 6:38:39 AM PDT
by
ahayes
(Yes, I have a devious plot. No, you may not know what it is.)
To: mlc9852
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posted on
05/09/2006 6:44:07 AM PDT
by
JZelle
To: mlc9852
Al Jazeera, eh?
Well, I bet they're creationist, just like you.
To: JCEccles
Why thanks. You can pretty much count on my missing any 'news' published on al Jazeera.
To: Right Wing Professor
You are not paying attention. Several other posters put up other links about the same story. And please point out all the false stories you find on Al-Jazeera. My guess is you will find more lies in the NYT.
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posted on
05/09/2006 7:20:02 AM PDT
by
mlc9852
To: mlc9852
To: Right Wing Professor
I see you aren't very busy today. Nice cushy job you got there, Prof.
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posted on
05/09/2006 7:39:09 AM PDT
by
mlc9852
To: mlc9852
I see you aren't very busy today. Nice cushy job you got there, Prof.LOL!
At least I don't promote radical Islam.
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