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To: Gordongekko909
I'm sorry: are you arguing against getting government out of the health care business?

No, I'm arguing against boilerplate red herrings.

How does something being paid already make it not possible to figure out a predicted increase or decrease in those expenses?

I didn't say you couldn't calculate some change. I said the expense already exists to some extent WITH prohibition in place. Are you saying you will bear the current expenditure as long as government goons are busting some heads? That you won't bear the same expenditure without the head busting?

If the expenditure remains the same, do you favor standing down in the "war" on MJ?

71 posted on 04/24/2006 1:52:30 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: MileHi
No, I'm arguing against boilerplate red herrings.

Oh, so you think that I don't actually intend to support legal marijuana ever, and that my "get rid of socialized medicine" condition is just there to make it so that I will never actually support legalization. Well, I can't prove what my motives are by any evidence whatsoever, so you can either accept that my opposition to marijuana legalization hinges entirely on it not accomplishing its stated goals, or you can't. And there's nothing I can do about that.

I didn't say you couldn't calculate some change. I said the expense already exists to some extent WITH prohibition in place. Are you saying you will bear the current expenditure as long as government goons are busting some heads? That you won't bear the same expenditure without the head busting?

My argument is that it won't be the same expenditure. Health care costs would go up with legalization, and taxes with them. I would be perfectly satisfied with annihilating socialized medicine; I don't particularly like it. That annihilation, however, is a precursor to me supporting legalization, because I don't want to pay more. In short, I could care less if someone smokes his brain into bong resin in the privacy of his own home. I just don't want to pay his medical bills.

If the expenditure remains the same, do you favor standing down in the "war" on MJ?

You mean if the entire thing turns out to be revenue-neutral with no change in healthcare policy? Sure, why not. I just don't think that that's how it will turn out with taxpayer-funded health care still in place. Hence, get rid of socialized medicine before legalizing marijuana.

105 posted on 04/24/2006 2:35:34 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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