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Government Goons Murder Puppies!The drug war goes to the dogs.
Reason ^ | April 2006 | Radley Balko

Posted on 04/05/2006 12:57:02 PM PDT by JTN

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To: JTN

I was once pulled over by a Texas DPS cop who asked me that question you hear on the cop shows on television. You know the one, "Do you have any drugs, guns or dead bodies in the car?" I answered truthfully that I don't take drugs or kill people and then had to repeat myself as the officer didn't seem to comprehend that. By the time he had gotten backup, secured me in the back of his police car and torn my car apart I was more than an hour behind my schedule. I have since learned from my local sheriff, who is a friend of mine, that the correct answer is, "Not yet."


61 posted on 04/05/2006 2:55:48 PM PDT by KarinG1 (Some of us are trying to engage in philosophical discourse. Please don't allow us to interrupt you.)
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To: JTN
"In January a cop en route to a drug raid in Tampa, Florida, took a short cut across a neighboring lawn and shot the neighbor’s two pooches on his way."

Two pooches? Little wittle pooches?

First of all, he shot AT two, hitting one in the leg (treated and released) and missing the other. Second, the dogs were unregistered with no vaccinations. Third, they were mixed breed -- you can guess the mix. And fourth, both dogs attacked the officer and "bit Blanco several times on his elbows, arms and hips, and he was taken to Tampa General Hospital. Roberts said the dogs attacked Blanco so ferociously he shot at them."

Now, that's the whole truth on one story. Ask yourself how many of the other "poochie" stories referenced by this pro-drug, self-professed Libertarian writing in a Libertarian rag (Reason) are just as misleading?

He and Reason have no shame.

62 posted on 04/05/2006 3:17:11 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: SampleMan
My point is that I don't connect the dots on bad cops = legalize drugs, which is what seemed to be getting advocated. Completely separate issues. If drugs are legalized, the bad cop issue still isn't addressed.

Legalizing drugs wouldn't fully address the issue, but it would give cops - both good and bad - fewer reasons to descend on people's houses, and thus less of an opportunity to make mistakes. Millions of people keep dogs - as pets and/or for protection - and cops would still have to enter people's homes in response to domestic violence, child porn, fugitives, etc. Good cops would still make mistakes, and bad cops would still commit misdeeds, only far fewer of them.

63 posted on 04/05/2006 3:24:17 PM PDT by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: absolootezer0
kill the dog is standard policy on any LEO raid. a dog is considered the first line of defense of any home. the dog is silenced before anything else happens in a raid. agents are not worried about being attacked by the dog, they are worried that the dog may alert the owner. i didn't see it mentioned yet, but randy weaver's dog was shot first at ruby ridge also.

Which is fine, I suppose, as far as it goes. But in the US we are presumed innocent until proved guilty. How do you replace a beloved family pet when it turns out that the police (or their CI) had the wrong address? Sure, broken windows and doors can be fixed, but they can't bring old Yeller back once they've killed him. The same is true for the innocent homeowner who sees his dog killed by some scruffy looking guy in body armor, but no uniform.

Whatever happened to serving a warrant by, well, knocking on the door and serving the warrant? Being prepared for resistance of course.

64 posted on 04/05/2006 3:45:53 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: middie
This cretin's pride in feeding the inmates on 40 cents a day and confining them to pup tents in the 120 degree heat during the day and 50 degree desert night is simply obscene.

I wouldn't have any problem with this if the prisoners were convicted and serving time in the county lockup. After all, our troops in Iraq and other places (Djibouti for example) have to put up with lots worse. But it they are awaiting trial, then I have a problem with treating like the scum those actually convicted are (Most of those awaiting trial are too, of course, but not all)

65 posted on 04/05/2006 3:50:04 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: SampleMan
". . .I find this whole business of shooting dogs however, to be a completely separate issue from enforcing the laws against illegal drugs."

Perhaps so. But it doesn't appear that this puppy-stomping/pet shooting behavior occurs at any other time than these WOD transactions.

BTW, when puppies and babies are killed indiscriminately it speaks poorly for law enforcement. Pleasure at killing small animals and ruthless power displays share much in common with serial killers and sociopaths.

66 posted on 04/05/2006 3:50:53 PM PDT by doberville
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
I have long maintained that the underlying motive for the WOD is the militarization of our local police forces.

Look at the evidence. Just about every locale has a police force that has a stockpile of body armor and AR-15s.

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Your point made this thread worth reading.

I have looked at the WOD from numerous angles and I have come to believe that militarization of local police departments is one of a just a few underlying reasons for it all.

67 posted on 04/05/2006 3:54:43 PM PDT by winston2 (In matters of necessity let there be unity, in matters of doubt liberty, and in all things charity:)
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To: doberville
Perhaps so.

OK. Then we agree. No need to continue the argument on the rest, I agree with you there to. I just take exception to the linkage, as I don't think it helps win the argument.

68 posted on 04/05/2006 3:58:05 PM PDT by SampleMan
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions
Legalizing drugs wouldn't fully address the issue, but it would give cops - both good and bad - fewer reasons to descend on people's houses, and thus less of an opportunity to make mistakes.

As would legalizing murder, rape, smuggling, extortion, money laundering, etc. Catch my point.

69 posted on 04/05/2006 4:00:02 PM PDT by SampleMan
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To: doberville
Perhaps so. But it doesn't appear that this puppy-stomping/pet shooting behavior occurs at any other time than these WOD transactions.

It does. The federal BATFE is the prototype and past master of the technique. They've also been known to throw a pregnant woman, not accused of any crime, up against a wall causes her to lose her baby, and that was just over paperwork violations. They've been known to tear a place apart when the owners were not present, leave it unlocked and wide open, with all the legal guns laying around on the floor, and just leaving a note saying "Nothing found, ATF".

70 posted on 04/05/2006 4:02:15 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: MadeInAmerica

I have been coaching 4, 5, and 6 year-olds for four years (seven seasons). I just keep cycling back to the younger child, all daughters.

I really love it. I have some good parents and great kids. My big rule is look at me when I'm talking.


71 posted on 04/05/2006 4:03:20 PM PDT by SampleMan
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To: MadeInAmerica

I completely concur with you on the searches.


72 posted on 04/05/2006 4:04:12 PM PDT by SampleMan
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To: JTN

Sadists just like to kill things.


73 posted on 04/05/2006 4:54:31 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: winston2
Thank you....

...for not calling me a raving paranoid nutbag...

...as has been done before when I've made that point.

74 posted on 04/05/2006 4:58:02 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Pain is nothing. Pain is weakness leaving the body.)
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To: Denver Ditdat
They're our jack-booted thugs now.

More the pity.

75 posted on 04/05/2006 5:14:29 PM PDT by The Shootist
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To: MadeInAmerica
As for illegal search, when pulled over in certain areas, all they need is probable cause and they can rip your vehicle apart if they choose. Large sums of cash to them is probable cause. They just ask about drugs, weapons, large sums of cash, etc
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Actually they don't even need that.

Our family had a member pulled over and the first thing the officer said was "where's the money". No pretense of a traffic violation.

A large sum was in the vehicle for a heavy equipment purchase. That was quite the eye opening experience. They can tell somehow that you have large amounts of cash.

The officer was in a van and had some way of knowing about the money. Those that wish to can make cracks about tin foil but it happened and it sure wasn't a joke to me.

It came out ok for us - the money wasn't taken. But it could have been had the police not been reasonable. He even said as much. That's way too much power in police hands for me.
76 posted on 04/05/2006 5:32:28 PM PDT by abbi_normal_2
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To: El Gato

Thank you for the correction. It is even worse than I thought.


77 posted on 04/05/2006 6:01:44 PM PDT by doberville
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To: KarinG1; inneroutlaw
"Not yet."

That does cause 'em to pause and contemplate, in my experience.

78 posted on 04/05/2006 6:18:33 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: El Gato
But in the US we are presumed innocent until proved guilty.

That concept remains only marginally existent, and only in court.

We've ceded power to LEO's on the scene to be judge, jury, and frequently executioner for a lot of "offenses".

They don't recognize that principle, nor are they required to do so.

79 posted on 04/05/2006 6:24:53 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts; winston2
Proud to be in the same bag with you two.

"Count me in", said Crockett to Travis (and elkfersupper to Sam and winston).

80 posted on 04/05/2006 6:27:35 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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