[muawiyah]

Sure the commies and the fascists believe in an objective reality which they intend to both create and impose on everybody else.

After all, one of the strong elements in their belief system is the idea that others can be forced to believe almost anything.

Once they have imposed their reality, it is objectively real ~ and, in fact, enforceably since any violation will be dealt with harshly.

Ever since the discovery of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, and the development of quantum physics, this question of "objective reality" has grown.

And Christians still do not worship the Bible.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Sure the commies and the fascists believe in an objective reality which they intend to both create and impose on everybody else.

After all, one of the strong elements in their belief system is the idea that others can be forced to believe almost anything."

Yes, they are subjectivists.

"Once they have imposed their reality, it is objectively real ~ and, in fact, enforceably since any violation will be dealt with harshly."

Again, that is subjectivism, not belief in objective reality. You are disproving your own claim.

"Ever since the discovery of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, and the development of quantum physics, this question of "objective reality" has grown."

The HUP doesn't say that there is no objective reality.

"And Christians still do not worship the Bible."

Correct, they believe it to be objectively true. The two are not the same.

[metmom]

Sorry, I should have pinged you to the response I sent to CG (1071). I just read through and found out how in depth this conversation got. BTW, I believe the only truly objective POV that can exist it that of God. Being able to be outside creation and not being enmeshed and distracted by the weaknesses and limitations of us feeble humans, He can look at something and make a truly just and fair judgment on it.