[jec41]

I simply pointed out that the anti-ID and anti-Creationist movement among evolutionists have made the argument that life cannot be observed as a fact in and of itself without reference to evolution.

Show me the arguments. Science has only said that Creation and ID cannot be explained by science because they have not been observed as a material fact. If either can observe life different present the material fact and evidence.

[muawiyah]

Scientific American recently ran an editorial on the matter ~ there are many sources for such claims.

For some reason no one is suggesting that these guys are nutcases ~ which they are ~