I read on some of these threads that some consider philosophy to be a waste of time because they don't understand it.
It surprises me because science began as a philosophy. The way that science gathers information seems to be derived from Epistemology.
Science does have an epistemology - it's called the Scientific Method. The Scientific Method is often an object of derision from the Creo crowd who have no useful alternative, but it is sound and well tested over hundreds of years.
Dare I say it - OK, Descartes.
OK PH you can abandon the thread now.