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To: jec41

Actually ID has provided facts, testable models, etc. But you've accepted the Darwin Fundie religion without question so you wouldn't know that, would you? Doesn't sound like you know what evolution or speciation is. Your cut & paste Darwin Fundie Talking Points don't impress me either. Only a Fundie would blindly listen to his leaders. Funny how people like you accuse other people of being pseudofundimental! Where'd you get that word? Public school? No wonder you think evolution is true.

Testable ID model (books with more science than any Darwin Fundie book):

Origins of Life
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1576833445/

Nobel Laureate, Richard Smalley said of "Origins": "Evolution has just been dealt its deathblow...it is clear evolution could not have occured."

Who was Adam?
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1576835774/

"The parallels that it proves between Genesis and the scientific data are profound." - Dr. John Bloom, physics professor, Biola University

The Creator and the Cosmos: How the Latest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1576832880/

"A compelling summary of scientific evidence that supports the belief in God..." - Walter Bradley, head of Mech. Egr. Dept at A&M University.

"...clearly indicate[s] that the universe was created with many characteristics fine-tuned for life." - Dr. Kyle Cudworth, Yerkes Observatory


1,148 posted on 04/07/2006 8:49:59 AM PDT by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9
Actually ID has provided facts, testable models, etc.

Define scientific fact. present the fact and the evidence.

But you've accepted the Darwin Fundie religion without question so you wouldn't know that, would you?

Religion is philosophy. Evolution is science and is both a fact and theory.

Doesn't sound like you know what evolution or speciation is.

Educate me by stating your definition of both.

Your cut & paste Darwin Fundie Talking Points don't impress me either.

Why would anyone try to impress one already impressed by their own opinion.

Only a Fundie would blindly listen to his leaders.

What are the names and teachings of these leaders. I missed them.

Funny how people like you accuse other people of being pseudofundimental! Where'd you get that word? Public school?

Definitions of pseudo on the Web:

(often used in combination) not genuine but having the appearance of; "a pseudo esthete"; "pseudoclassic" imposter: a person who makes deceitful pretenses

No wonder you think evolution is true.

I don't think evolution is true. True is a term used by philosophy. I observe evolution is a material fact. Darwin did not use the term evolution. He used the terms change and difference. Evolution is a later term to incorporate both. Odd that your other than public school education did not cover basic science and definitions. Evolution is defined as ongoing change that exists in populations whether by nature or reproduction.

Get a picture of your parents, look in the mirror, if there is any difference no matter how small some evolution or change has occurred. However if there is no difference, change, or evolution you are a clone! Thats your position that ongoing change is not true and does not occur. 6.7 billion people would disagree that they are all the same and are cloned. You are a phenomenon and you should publish your cloning.

1,176 posted on 04/07/2006 10:48:25 AM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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